View Poll Results: Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance?
Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance 130 22.15%
Keep the current unregulated system with an emphasis on education 457 77.85%
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Old 11 May 2013, 12:33   #341
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My thought process was to have the KC permanently attached to the LJ so you could not forget to attach it to yourself - it would already be there, but I can see some problems with that.

If the default was the KC is clipped to your LJ as standard, you have to consciously attach it to the switch before starting. If the default is clip it to the switch as a seperate bit of kit it's easier to forget to attach it to yourself as a seperate task.

If the KC lives on my LJ, and not the switch I can't forget to connect it before starting the engine.

Probably not expressing this very well!
What you are saying makes a lot of sense its just the position for me as I have stated earlier.

Maybe dry suit and salopette manufactures could also attach D rings on the legs stitched just above the knee for the same purpose.

At least while we are discussing ideas of how to wear KC's its promoting the importance of using them.
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Old 11 May 2013, 12:35   #342
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We clip to the crutch strap of the LJ as we find wrapping the cord around your leg significantly limits the cord effective length and your freedom of movement. I've killed the engine a couple of times just standing up to look around.
You must be a lanky bu**er then.
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You must be a lanky bu**er then.
Lanky. Aye ...
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Old 11 May 2013, 13:26   #344
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It is very common for a twist grip throttle to back off to low speed if you let go of it with the motor in operation. With a remote throttle, I am not sure if this is built into the assembly.

Whatever the case, you can legislate until you are blue in the face, but there will continue to be accidents.

I have run outboards for about 58 years, and kill switches have not been installed on motors for that many years. Today we are swamped with people having good intentions but not considering just what the effect of legislation costs. Reality check, you cannot prevent people from having accidents. Every time some bad incident happens, only the foolish would propose legislation on the grounds that it may be helpful. They avoid doing a cost study and insist on signing over their freedoms to a governing body who is primarily interested in making money from the laws. They also do not care what the costs are for people trying to meet the law.

I believe this proposal is for England, and living in the US, it will not affect me thank goodness. I will terminate my subscription to this site at this time. Sorry for you folks.
Yes Frank, it is for England because it's about an English Event that we all care about .... It seems your 58 yrs outboard usage have left you with a lot still to learn, so in respect of your termination of this forum - Don't let us keep you !
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Of course, it's always good to think "can I make this better" that's half of what engineers are for! I was just suggesting in response to HughN's post that sufficient consensus is going to be difficult to achieve.

Things might have got a bit mixed up because you and paddlers posted while I was tweaking my wording, but no matter .



I see the statistical point you're trying to make, but when looking at potential nation-wide regulations, you need to look at nation-wide statistics, which I assume HughN was doing.

There wouldn't be any point in normalising risk by proportion of the dog-, ladder-, bathtub- or boat-owning population in this case as far as I can make out. If 50% of motorcycle-bungee-jump-canasta players are injured by their sport, but only two people have ever tried motorcycle-bungee-jump-canasta, it's not worth the expense of legislating against their bizarre choice of leisure activity. Conversely, seat-belt legislation is worthwhile because of the number of people who drive or are passengers in cars, even if only a tiny fraction per year are hurt in crashes. Powerboat ownership is probably closer to the motorcycle-bungee-jump-canasta end of the spectrum than it is to the road travel end.
Bad comparison. We do not talk about getting injured, but about killing someone else.
That's why smoking in buildings is not allowed.
As a matter of fact I do not care about snow skiing laws as I never go to the mountains. But I do go to the sea and swim. So I am potentially a victim of forgetting kill cords.
That is what I am trying to explain: boaters are not only prosecuted by these laws, but also protected!
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Old 11 May 2013, 15:36   #346
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True, but I believe the point is still valid. The number of people protected by such laws would be relatively small.

And that's assuming they'd be effective anyway, which is itself highly dubious.
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Despite the weather today (Gale6/7) i was down on our RIB and took these pictures.

Pic 1, our primary Killcord attached to the dog collar
Pic 2, When leaving the boat for a short period you can leave comfortably on the leg
Pic 3, Or secure collar around the throttle(s), so that it is in your face when you want to be under way.
The use of the collar around the leg and clipping the KC to it, retains the original length. I can move to either side of our wide beam RIB with ease and not trigger the engines to cut out. By having a temporary mooring line near the consol, it is easy to come along side single handed.
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Despite the weather today (Gale6/7) i was down on our RIB and took these pictures.

Pic 1, our primary Killcord attached to the dog collar
Pic 2, When leaving the boat for a short period you can leave comfortably on the leg
Pic 3, Or secure collar around the throttle(s), so that it is in your face when you want to be under way.
The use of the collar around the leg and clipping the KC to it, retains the original length. I can move to either side of our wide beam RIB with ease and not trigger the engines to cut out. By having a temporary mooring line near the consol, it is easy to come along side single handed.

I really like the dog collar idea-it looks far less likely to slip on wet waterproofs.
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Legislate and idiots will just ignore anyway. Educate and not only will the ignorant learn and act, but it'll save a whole load of hassle, annoyance and cost for the masses.
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I really like the dog collar idea-it looks far less likely to slip on wet waterproofs.
Yes, I'll be getting one of those. My mousehounds will be bricking it, waiting for the new owner

I used to have a velcro strip glued at the clip end of my killcord, and the corresponding strip was glued to the console high above the throttle and wheel. It meant that I could operate alongside pontoons etc without it but not miss the damn thing underway.
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