View Poll Results: Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance?
Compulsory licensing and mandatory kill cords with fines for non compliance 130 22.15%
Keep the current unregulated system with an emphasis on education 457 77.85%
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Old 10 May 2013, 12:49   #281
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If I'm honest so am I, I made my string a bit longer and all is good. Im just throwing ideas out there for the members of this forum that seem to have such a problem.
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Old 10 May 2013, 13:01   #282
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If the length or strength or where to fasten the kill cord is an issue just buy a surfboard leash and velcro the bloody thing to your ankle !! I guarantee it wont snap but the flimsy little clip on the end might...
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Old 10 May 2013, 13:06   #283
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Whilst noting that any accidental death is tragic, HMS stated "19 fatalities in 4 years". This will be less than 19 distinct incidents because some of these involved incidents with more than one fatality, but lets go for a rate of 5 fatalities a year and make a comparison.

In 2010:

* 3 people died as a result of dog bites
* 7 people died as a result of being bitten by 'other mammals'
* 3 people died as a result of falling into swimming pools
* 5 people died as a result of accidental suffocation in bed
* 17 people died as a result of contact with heat or hot substances (including barbecues, I assume)
* 5 people died as a result of contact with wasps, hornets or bees
* 6 people died due to lack of food.
* 9 people died as a result of falling from cliffs
* 6 women died as a result of a fall from a ladder
* 29 people died after drowning in the bath.

Shall we introduce mandatory training for barbecues at the point of sale, classes for bed-making and fence in all swimming-pools and cliffs?

We oughtn't limit our altruism by familiarity with Ribs: lets include all vessels, including sailing boats - after all, they can be large, move quickly, have limited capabilities for changing of direction/speed and generally go out in windy conditions. They don't, for instance, slice in front of oil tankers...

Would it be flawed to suggest that anyone over 35 tends to be more capable of assessing risk than people under 35 who have generally been surrounded by Health and Safety?
In my little village, last 5 years.

* 0 people died as a result of dog bites
* 0 people died as a result of being bitten by 'other mammals'
* 0 people died as a result of falling into swimming pools
* 0 people died as a result of accidental suffocation in bed
* 0 people died as a result of contact with heat or hot substances (including barbecues, I assume)
* 0 people died as a result of contact with wasps, hornets or bees
* 0 people died due to lack of food.
* 0 women died as a result of a fall from a ladder
* 0 people died after drowning in the bath.

And
* 1 fifteen years old boy died as a result of falling from cliffs (dive jumping)
* 1 nineteen years old boy died because of no kill cord.

As a matter of fact, you will not find these accidents in Madrid, no sea 300 km around.
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Old 10 May 2013, 13:26   #284
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The only common ground I can really see here is that people want to be safe, and just over three quarters don't want to be forced into mandatory licenses and console placards (I'm with them).

Beyond that, some want sprung throttles, some want active-sensing wireless killcords, some want passive-sensing wireless killcords.

Personally, I'm entirely happy with the Mercury-style piece of reinforced string and a guarded toggle switch.

Me too.

I prefer the Mercury setup to any other. it's simple, effective and doesn't seem to go wrong. All it relies on if I go overboard is there being a spare killcord onboard for someone to come and pick me up.

I much prefer the physical 'feel' of knowing the cord is there as well. I don't like the idea of shoving an RFID/battery operated tag in my pocket as I don't know if I've dropped it/the batteries have died etc.
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Old 10 May 2013, 13:39   #285
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If I'm honest so am I, I made my string a bit longer and all is good. Im just throwing ideas out there for the members of this forum that seem to have such a problem
Of course, it's always good to think "can I make this better" — that's half of what engineers are for! I was just suggesting in response to HughN's post that sufficient consensus is going to be difficult to achieve.

Things might have got a bit mixed up because you and paddlers posted while I was tweaking my wording, but no matter .

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In my little village, last 5 years.
I see the statistical point you're trying to make, but when looking at potential nation-wide regulations, you need to look at nation-wide statistics, which I assume HughN was doing.

There wouldn't be any point in normalising risk by proportion of the dog-, ladder-, bathtub- or boat-owning population in this case as far as I can make out. If 50% of motorcycle-bungee-jump-canasta players are injured by their sport, but only two people have ever tried motorcycle-bungee-jump-canasta, it's not worth the expense of legislating against their bizarre choice of leisure activity. Conversely, seat-belt legislation is worthwhile because of the number of people who drive or are passengers in cars, even if only a tiny fraction per year are hurt in crashes. Powerboat ownership is probably closer to the motorcycle-bungee-jump-canasta end of the spectrum than it is to the road travel end.
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Old 10 May 2013, 14:12   #286
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You where it under your dry suit. I assume you have got other clothes on underneath maybe even a belt. I didn't think going commando is a prerequisite of wearing a dry suit. it only needs to be the size of a car remote. on a bit of Velcro elastic.
But i like going commando !!!

Yes i see your thinking now.
Still like the cord round my leg though.
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I should hang fire on writing to your MP (For all the good that does despite visiting mine and personally handing over a letter last year I didn't even get the courtesy of a reply). Keep your powder dry.

Just because one individual calls for regulation doesn't mean it'll happen. Even if it was considered it's a long old process. Wait until it's muted and the required consultation starts by legislators and I think you'll find the RYA would be anti regulation.

http://www.rya.org.uk/aboutus/whatwe...urRights2.aspx

The below passage sums it up.

Resist national legislation that may adversely affect any aspect of recreational boating and navigational safety, or that it believes to be disproportionate, ineffective or unenforceable.

Whilst I accept they're not everyone's cup of tea. They do have clout in the right places and are recognised by Government as the representative body.
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Old 10 May 2013, 14:47   #288
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But i like going commando !!!

Yes i see your thinking now.
Still like the cord round my leg though.
How about going commando with the immobilizer Velcro'd to your wedding tackle and a tube of conductive gell smeared on for good measure.

I bet you'd be jumping overboard every 30sec's
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Surely Power Boat & Rib Magazine or whoever it is that is taking it upon themselves to call for regulation will take notice of the majority view and moderate their calls accordingly. Wouldn't they?
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Depends, I suppose. Is the proprietor the sort of person who normally takes notice of such things, or is he the type to get a pollinating insect lodged in his headgear?
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