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Old 02 August 2010, 20:00   #31
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I don't particularly want to arouse the wrath of Polwarth again by intruding with a fact in the realm of perceptions - but the Boat Safety Scheme (assuming we're talking about the same one) was established in 1997 by the Environment Agency and British Waterways to promote safety on the inland waterways.

SEA Checks are not restricted to the inland waterways, and there isn't really a conflict between them.

Not good news that nobody responded to your email though - although I am curious why you made the request in the first place when you think it's competing with something better. That's a serious question, by the way - not a dig. I would genuinely like to understand your thinking


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Simple I made my opinion after not getting a reply from the RNLI!

Incidentally I don't have a BSS either but there are some similar objectives between the same schemes, why duplicate when you could simply extend the established one to cover coastal boats?
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Old 02 August 2010, 23:17   #32
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sorry duplicate,as below
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Old 02 August 2010, 23:39   #33
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few reasons why seacheck was set up was

1 obviously in the intrests of sea safety ,

2 cutting the costs ,,much cheaper and safer sending an adviser out and nipping things in the bud first in a freindly non pushy manor than the cost of launching a lifeboat and crew perhaps in unfaverouble conditions for the simple reason of of not having the shackle pin on the anchor moused ,or the recovery of a body because the of the ignorance bliss of not wearing a crutch strap on a lifejacket.

3 promote links to third party orgnisations eg cg66 scheme, insurance benefits, advise on training courses,

4 to coinside with objectives of the long term RNLI buisness plan

5 to build up a picture of what levels of basic/essential safety equipment and condition that is carried on board leisure craft .

6 helping with recall/ raising issues and anouncements of and to manifacturers faults or problems .

with regards to the inland boat safety scheme,which is mandatory for those that have a boat on british waterways owned or within their juristriction ,,rivers canals and ports ., in the main coverers the live aboards and concentrates on domestic gas/heating ventilation ,fire safety ,engine and fuel instalation systems along with enviromental issues sewerage /waste water polloution ect ,and the schemes certificate is not free as sea check is but is done by a commercial surveyer .
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Old 03 August 2010, 12:03   #34
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1. Have you had an RNLI SEA Check - do you have any suggestions on how it may be improved?

2. If not, have you previously heard of RNLI SEA Check?

3. If you have heard of SEA Check but not had one, what has stopped you?
1. No I haven't had one

2. Yes I have heard about the check

3. When I was "New" to boating I came onto this very forum and searched threads and asked questions and visited the RNLI website. I soon had all the information I needed to fit out my RIB, but I was still intending on getting a boat safety check done by you guys. However when I thought about it, I knew I had all the First Aid kit, Flares, Lifejackets, Radio etc etc and felt that I'd have been wasting the RNLI's time.
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Old 15 August 2010, 15:08   #35
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So this afternoon I had an RNLI sea check. A call came in yesterday and it was arranged for today.

A very nice chap turned up, very pleasant etc but i have to say I felt it was a little 'checklist' driven.

Ie do i have a liferaft? Do i have water on board, do i have warm clothing? And questions like this that really didn't make much sense for a rib.

Dont want to knock a good idea but i feel it really is more aimed at 100% new boaters.

if anyone wants the tick sheet i can scan and email over.

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1. Have you had an RNLI SEA Check - do you have any suggestions on how it may be improved?

Not had one.

2. If not, have you previously heard of RNLI SEA Check?

Was aware that there was a scheme but wasn't aware of it's name, have not seen it advertised. Now I also know that there's another scheme that will cost me, I'll be examined on and will allow me to safely control my sewage when lost on a canal. I can already pick my favourite.

3. If you have heard of SEA Check but not had one, what has stopped you?

When the boat's ready, I'll try to take up SPR's kind offer.

I too have been surprised at some of the responses here, others have just been what I've come to expect! I'll happily take advice from anyone if it saves my life, they can be the most obnoxious to55er in the world but if they spot something I've missed then I'm happy.

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I had my sea safety check done yesterday, Paul Glatzel from Powerboat Training in Poole carried it out. Yes a checklist was used and as a had done some research before buying my boat I had indeed kitted it out very well. However it wasn't all about a check list, By learning more about where I went and with who on my boat certain issues did come up which I found valuable input. Additionally some insight he had into safety kit was also useful.

For example did you know many kill cords are only made of plastic, when brittle they can snap leaving the part that attaches to the kill switch intact with the obvious Issue of the engine continuing to run should you go overboard, the decent kill cords have a length of wire through the core which won't snap, hence just purchased one today.

We also discussed risk profiles and as I Will be using my boat during winter and the majority of the time I'm on my own we discussed possibly purchasing a personal distress Gps device and perhaps a dry suit.

Lifejackets were checked, part dismantled and we went through what to check for.

It lasted about an hour.

I personally found it useful and while I did have most kit onboard I found it beneficial and took away some things to consider to make my boating even safer.

If you look at it as a check you will miss the value, if you look at it as a learning experience then you will get value from it.

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Dont get me wrong I'm not knocking the checklist or the RNLI , but I was sort of loosing faith at the question ' Do I carry signal shapes?'

I'd expect Paul to be very in touch with what is needed/ practicle on a RIB and expect his style was far more informative/conversational.
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When the boat's ready, I'll try to take up SPR's kind offer.

I too have been surprised at some of the responses here, others have just been what I've come to expect! I'll happily take advice from anyone if it saves my life, they can be the most obnoxious to55er in the world but if they spot something I've missed then I'm happy.

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1. Have you had an RNLI SEA Check - do you have any suggestions on how it may be improved?

2. If not, have you previously heard of RNLI SEA Check?

3. If you have heard of SEA Check but not had one, what has stopped you?




In the meantime if anyone would like to arrange a SEA Check, please let me know the location of your boat and I will PM the contact details of your nearest LSSO.
1. No

2. Yes

3. I know there are deficiencies in my safety equipment (really want to PASS the test not fail??)

Ok after reading all this I'll book on if you let me know where to get one and then come back with other feedback.
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