Briton in boating charge... - Page 2

codprawn · 09 September 2004, 19:14

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Originally Posted by corrie

the buck stops with the skipper...end of story!

Legally - maybe??? - logically - morally - practically - NOT!!!!

Would you jump into a fire if you were told it was safe to do so by a fireman? Or would you possibly stop and think first?

The trouble with this world is people just don't think for themselves anymore - and it is getting worse - people's lives are too regimented!

I have noticed lately that people in the UK actually obay the green man and won't cross on a red - even if the road is totally clear!!! That used to only happen in places like Switzerland!

Manos · 09 September 2004, 19:32

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Originally Posted by codprawn

I have noticed lately that people in the UK actually obay the green man and won't cross on a red - even if the road is totally clear!!! That used to only happen in places like Switzerland!

You haven't been in too many places then Mr Cod

codprawn · 09 September 2004, 19:34

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Originally Posted by Manos

You haven't been in too many places then Mr Cod

Lived in 25 countries - does that qualify??? I have to admitt I am very rarely a pedestrian though - I will walk 30 miles across mountains but would rather drive around the local supermarket if the aisles were wide enough!!!

Manos · 09 September 2004, 19:40

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Lived in 25 countries - does that qualify??? I have to admitt

Yes I fly Columbia Space ship too (in my dreams)

Jono · 09 September 2004, 19:56

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Originally Posted by Manos

Yes I fly Columbia Space ship too (in my dreams)

Pot? Kettle?.. Baja?...

Phil Davies · 09 September 2004, 20:03

Careful, Jono, you might lose that hard earned third greenie again - you know, the one that was snatched so cruelly from you this afternoon

DM · 09 September 2004, 20:13

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Originally Posted by Manos

do you know what 'death by misadventure' means?

It's a term commonly used by Coroners to describe a cause of death. Most people who die by accident, eg. falling off a cliff, are deemed to have died by misadventure. In this country, the causes are classified as Natural causes(illness), Misadventure, Lawful/unlawful killing, Suicide, Open verdict, (cause cannot be verified), Industrial disease.

For instance, if I was to wrap anchor chain around your leg and push you off your boat, that would be seen by most people (not jono) as unlawful killing. If you jumped off on purpose, that would be suicide. If their was any doubt that you didn't mean to jump, that would be seen as an open verdict. If it all happened by accident, that would be misadventure. I'll be in Pwllhelli this weekend if you want a practical demonstration.

DM

Phil Davies · 09 September 2004, 20:13

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Lived in 25 countries - does that qualify???

For a Welshman you are indeed well travelled, Codprawn. Come to think of it, are you actually Welsh? What is your name? How old are you? Have you ever been married? Are there any mountains you haven't climbed? Are there any cars you haven't driven? Do you or any of your mates earn less than £150K? And the question we're all dying to ask - how do you manage to drive 120,000 miles per annum when you're on Ribnet every afternoon and half the night? More to the point, as a 'Director - Computers', WHY are you driving 120,000 miles per annum?!

codprawn · 09 September 2004, 20:21

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Originally Posted by Phil Davies

For a Welshman you are indeed well travelled, Codprawn. Come to think of it, are you actually Welsh? What is your name? How old are you? Have you ever been married? Are there any mountains you haven't climbed? Are there any cars you haven't driven? Do you or any of your mates earn less than £150K? And the question we're all dying to ask - how do you manage to drive 120,000 miles per annum when you're on Ribnet every afternoon and half the night? More to the point, as a 'Director - Computers', WHY are you driving 120,000 miles per annum?!

I am not Welsh - I am a strange species of deep sea fish!

Manos · 09 September 2004, 20:23

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Originally Posted by davidmanning

For instance, if I was to wrap anchor chain around your leg and push you off your boat, that would be seen by most people (not jono) as unlawful killing. If you jumped off on purpose, that would be suicide. If their was any doubt that you didn't mean to jump, that would be seen as an open verdict. If it all happened by accident, that would be misadventure. I'll be in Pwllhelli this weekend if you want a practical demonstration.DM

I know that you love me really

so there is a greeny for you. Always very informative on this staff Mr DM

So what they say is that the killing of the three people was by accident? But from what the BBC report says the person responsible for the boat put more people on it than permitted by the manufacturers. So how can the death of the three be by accident?? Don't get it. ..... and don't give any ideas to Jono

By the way you remember that long thread you did about drawing I still have it.

DM · 09 September 2004, 20:33

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Originally Posted by Manos

Don't get it

Spanish law may be different. Over here, he'd probably be charged with involuntary manslaughter

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Originally Posted by Manos

and don't give any ideas to Jono

I'd watch him if I was you. He's got funny eyes.

DM

Manos · 09 September 2004, 20:43

I see, In Greece would have been the same.

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Originally Posted by davidmanning

I'd watch him if I was you. He's got funny eyes.DM

What like those

or those

Wriggers · 13 September 2004, 22:33

Manos, I hope this helps to explains English law in respect of sudden deaths.

When all the evidence has been heard, the Coroner (and jury) will deliver the verdict, which will be one of the following:
a. natural causes
b. unlawful killing
c. suicide
d. accidental death, or death by misadventure. (Either can be used, and the former imputation of part-responsibility in 'misadventure' no longer applies.)
e. from an industrial disease
f. an open verdict, when the Coroner decides that the evidence given at the inquest is insufficient to deliver one of the specific verdicts above; however, if new evidence becomes available at any time which varies the verdict, the inquest can be re-opened.
Any of these verdicts can, in certain circumstances, be challenged. An application to do this must be made within three months.

Mark
(1st posting)

Manos · 14 September 2004, 07:06

Yery informative 1st posting Mark

A Question: 'death by misadventure' i.e. accidental death conserns the person that died. Is it correct to assume then from what is written in the various reports and by what DM and your self say that the causes of the accident are a separate issue and if there are people repsonssible are panished?