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Old 25 November 2013, 18:21   #71
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And I can only apologise. I only posted as I thought it was pertinent to the thread and was seeking feedback. I have not read the rules, which is my fault and I do not make a habit of this. Again, I apologise.

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Old 26 November 2013, 05:14   #72
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Originally Posted by Poly View Post

He's not the first person to post a trade post, either in error or the hope of going unnoticed. I expect anyone posting with commercial motives to be switched on enough to social media etiquette that they would be aware that some sites don't accept trade posts and look for the rules (hint see bottom of page). Its not unusual thought and "he's done the the right thing" now.

However, trying a blatant advert is naughty - but posting "astroturf" is not not just commercially naive it is also potentially illegal (The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, Regulation 3(4)(d) - Schedule 1, Para 22)

Coding does not apply to vessels owned by companies IF they are only used by the officers or employees of the company on a 'free voyage'.
Cheers Poly, yip SI 2771 quite clear. A body corporate may own a non coded vessel as long as it is only used for sport or pleasure by employees or officers if the company or their immediate family or friends. Sounds quite a good plan then.

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Old 26 November 2013, 05:21   #73
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The link I placed to Indulgeon in my previous message is not quite right so just to update it....
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Old 28 November 2013, 03:55   #74
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As much as I have been a big doubter of bigjarv's plans and ideas, I have to vouch for this guys genuine idea and motives.

I used to work with this guy for a common employer and bigjarv used to pick my brains on his 'idea' of indulgeon because I had some experience of the marine world and a definite bad experience of a boat sharing scheme and also a private share of a boat personally.

Needless to say I was very negative about the whole idea as I felt sharing was a bad idea for all the experiences I had come across.

I still believe that sharing a boat is a risky game as boats are either a personal object or a play thing of no real material value . . . depending on which way you look at it.

Interesting people have mentioned the MCA as I did warn bigjarv that they would crawl all over the idea once out. Knowing how keen they were on a certain rib 'beaching' a few years ago in Stokes bay and then their 'interest' in Ribshack Marine Ltd (Since gone bust). The latter in my experience being an example of how not to run a shared ownership come management (cockup) scheme.

I will give it to bigjarv and the indulgeon team, every negative and hurdle I have thrown at them as a possible flaw in their plan, they have gone away, done the research and either proved me wrong or come up with an alternative idea to solve the problem. Fair play to them.

I do not for one moment think they are the perfect share scheme as I do not believe there is such a thing as the perfect share. I will watch their progress with avid interest as I got stung by a share/management company and frankly have been very anti the idea from the outset. But I think bigjarv maybe about to prove me wrong....

A dodgy start to the picky forum world of ribnet and the small world of leisure marine. This idea was not actually purely designed for watercraft sharing, but anything. And this is where they may be good, they have no real experience of the marine world so may not be dogged down with years of experience and the usual doubters like me. Same in the aviation world, which we both have extensive experience, most people in aviation will say, you can't do that 'cos of x y and z. It take the balls of someone outside to come in and go just do it anyway and move or remove the obstacles.

Before I get shot down for being some hired supporter I am just an old colleague, who used to take bigjarv out boating until he changed jobs and left the area. I still am not convinced because of my negative experiences, but he may have an idea worth trying. All I can say is he and the team are doing this as a side line to their full time jobs. And they are all genuine people. I think it has been three years in the making . . if not more.

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