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Old 24 August 2004, 04:06   #11
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Mark - totall agree

Stuart, we to pull in several boats every week, however i don't normally go out in 49knot winds to do so, we would normally leave this to the rnli. however they refused to go out as there was no life at risk and conditions were so bad. The boat would have broken up on the rocks in another 20 minutes, so time was the issue. The way i look at it - the insurance company would have to pay up £25000 to the owner if it had broken up, however they now only have to pay me and ian jones50% / £12500 so we have saved the insurance company £12500.

Who would go out in a 49knot wind, in a 6m rib, to tow a 8m yacht with no life at risk for a beer?
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Old 24 August 2004, 04:09   #12
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Jono,

Do you think you were putting your (& your crew) at risk in going out in those conditions?
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Old 24 August 2004, 04:55   #13
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After reading t'other Jono's post, I would wait for it to blow up a bit (this evening looks good) and put it back where you found it.
It makes you wonder why you bother to help in situations like this, don't it.
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Old 24 August 2004, 06:22   #14
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Jono,

Do you think you were putting your (& your crew) at risk in going out in those conditions?
I was thinking of going out for a play anyway. And for the crew, Ian Jones, it was his decision. I trust him as much as i trust myself.

It was a bit touch and go at times as the yacht was constantly surfing and pulling the stern of the rib side on to the wave, we had one end of the line ready to be sliped.

The hardest job was actually getting along side the boat, it was moving at 5knots across the waves. Every time we came down wind of it the yacht it was picked up and moved towards us, every time we cam upwind of the yacht we were in danger of being washed on top of it. After several atemps we finally came on to the bow (nose of the yacht to midship of the rib) this was hard because the boat was moving at 5 knots towards us. Ian quickly threaded the line through the bow eye and we started to tow with a 30m line. It would of been a lot easier if we had 1 extra crew to steer the yacht.

When we got the boat in the harbour we shortened the tow and paid for the yacht to be lifted to ensure no damage.
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Top job, make him pay the arrogant swine!
Wasting police time as well!
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Tugs are called the crows of the sea. However, in many cases they not only save ships but people too.

So if one has money tied up on boats and makes a living out of the sea one should charge for the services that offers.
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Old 24 August 2004, 17:50   #17
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Jono, I have a couple of questions for you:

1. Based on the following, did you offer to assist with the "mayday" calls or just limit your excursion to dealing with the unmanned boat?
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when Jono saw the boat headed for the rocks...this conversation took place when there were four active “Mayday” calls going on and outside the Pwllheli lifeboat station
2. To get it all into context, what offer are you looking for to avoid going down the road to salvage?
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Richard,

It was I (This Jono over here!) who knew that the Mayday calls were going down, because I was earwigging on channel 16 whilst checking my boat prior to going to see Jono (That one over there!). The (equally nosey) yachty in the berth next to me told me what was going down.....and I'm fairly confident none of them were involving "local" waters as Pwllheli boat was still in the station as I recall.... bit tricky to offer help "long distance", but I'm sure you weren't trying to imply anything in your post.

Just thought I'd make that clear in case it wasn't in my original post...
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Old 25 August 2004, 03:19   #19
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The 3 maydays were on caenarfon bar about 60 n miles by sea. The yacht we pulled in was not under command and simply had not been tied up in the correct way.

Any reasnable offer would of acceptable, but not a pint? My solicitor has advised me that we should get between 25% and 50% of the boats value off the insurer. I am told insurers are normally willing to play ball in this situation as i have an rnli mechanic and 2nd coxwain for witnesses that it would of broke up, if not rescued.
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Look at it from the point of view of a relative of RNLI personnel. Was it fair/right for you to go out in such conditions to 'rescue' a boat which the RNLI had decided not to rescue as no human lives were at risk and conditions were so bad? What if (God forbid) you had got into difficulties and needed RNLI assistance? Is it fair that others (lifeboat crew) would put their lives at risk because you decided to chance your arm to make some (quite a lot!) extra cash? Just wondered what everyone thought?

Edit: Just thought - maybe he wasn't best pleased with you 'cos he deliberately tied it up badly as he was going for an insurance job?
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