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Old 06 June 2012, 04:32   #41
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Thanks Dry Run, your process is what I'd expect.

He seems to have mixed it up for his own gains.

His version. Agree a price if the boat were good runner. Pay 10% to him. Then he organises engine test and refunds you if anything wrong. As if!

I said, I or an independent test engine, computer readout and compression test, then sea trial, then if happy I pay deposit.

(Though I do accept deposit before sea trial to stop joyriding.)
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Old 06 June 2012, 05:05   #42
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(Though I do accept deposit before sea trial to stop joyriding.)
But then again, if you were buying a car, the salesman would be falling over himself to get you out for a test drive, why should boats be any different? Tyre kickers & timewasters are an occupational hazard of any salesman. I spend hours preparing quotes for jobs I never get, such is life
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Old 06 June 2012, 05:59   #43
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Seems very odd to want money before a seatrial . I've never bought a brokered boat - but no way would I hand anything over or sign a thing unless I'd had try out. Have to besensible and realise burning 50l of petrol is not on , but to me its part of the normal process.
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Old 06 June 2012, 06:10   #44
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The difficulty for the broker is that the boat (and the fuel in it's tank) isn't his to give away on test runs.

As Dry Run has said the sea trial is to show that the boat works and performs as it should - not just for the purchaser to decide if he likes it.

The analogy with used cars is different. Most dealers own their stock. However, not sure how easy it is to get a test drive these days.

BMF, RYA and ABYA all have standard contracts that can be used - but they can be varied to suit the situation.

As I type this I'm surveying a boat. Met purchaser and broker this morning. Purchaser signed contract this morning and is now at the bank transferring 10% to the broker - this has to be before they will let me scrape patches off the underside as part of my inspection. Sea trial tomorrow.

That's how it works with brokerage.
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His version. Agree a price if the boat were good runner. Pay 10% to him. Then he organises engine test and refunds you if anything wrong. As if!
Just for information this is a copy of the British Marine Federation Template for the agreement for sale and purchase of a second hand vessel subject to Survey and Sea trial


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Old 06 June 2012, 06:31   #46
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Is it this one:

Humber Destroyer 5.5m RIB

Apologies if it isn't?
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Old 06 June 2012, 06:38   #47
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Hmm- very interesting & all legal , but I feel very restrcitive and why I'd never buy a boat on brokerage.

Seems heavily in favour of the seller/ broker rather than the poor buggers spending the money !
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Hmm- very interesting & all legal , but I feel very restrcitive and why I'd never buy a boat on brokerage.

Seems heavily in favour of the seller/ broker rather than the poor buggers spending the money !
would you expect anything else? have you read standard t & c 's of any of your suppliers? you find these interesting too!
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I had someone test sail our Bavaria 32, it was like a new boat, without paying a deposit - then Opal Marine, the broker, sold them a new boat instead - the guy who bought it in the end told me that when he handed over the deposit the broker was still trying to persuade him to buy a new boat. Moral of the story - Never use a broker who sells a new boats! What really hacked me off is we had bought our Targa through Peters in the same office.
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Brokers don't like giving owner contact details out because they don't really want you bothering their clients, and the clients probably don't want bothering, which is why there using a broker in the first place. However there's no rules stating you can't contact the owner, which is what I done when I purchased with a broker. after a bit of research I found the guys number and ten minutes later I'd already talked him down a grand, with a free trail and aggrement to fix any storage probs. the broker got his commision, just not as much as he hoped for. so yea deffo worth contacting the owner if you can.
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