Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
 
Old 11 July 2006, 08:35   #21
Member
 
Simon B's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Leicester
Boat name: Vixen
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 6m +
Engine: Suzuki OB 175
MMSI: 235071839
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 1,621
I pick up divers a lot with our club boat, we never turn the engine off but always recover with engine in neutral, usually the helm has to pull the divers equipment in so the killcord is disconnected from them too.

Once alongside the boat drifts onto or slightly away from either divers or a casualty, depending on what it is you need to do.
__________________

__________________
New boat is here, very happy!
Simon
www.luec.org
Simon B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11 July 2006, 10:37   #22
Member
 
Country: UK - Wales
Town: Cardiff
Make: Humber Destroyer 5.5
Length: 5m +
Engine: 90hp OB
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 499
All depends on the situation for me. Picking up a donut rider in nice calm weather with little drift, I always cut the engine completely. With a few people on board I wouldn't want the throttle knocking in to gear by mistake. (might be over cautious, but not sure how tough the neutral lock is??)

If there is a bit of drift from either wind or tide, then neutral, but make sure I don't get involved in the recovery and protect the throttle.

In the situation of an MOB then if the conditions were bad I think I'd want the engine running, but again in neutral if possible.

As with most things IMHO it is down to individual common sense and reading the situation.

As we clearly don't know the full information on this incident then I think it is unfair to try and make any judgement on anyone - driver or casualty.

I think the most important thing is our thoughts for the people involved, irrelevent of any blame.

Mike
__________________

__________________
www.marine-rescue.co.uk
Mike B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11 July 2006, 11:09   #23
Member
 
Country: Ireland
Town: Dun Laoghaire
Boat name: Ruby
Make: Valiant 490
Length: 4m +
Engine: Yamaha 60-4
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 74
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete7
Rarely turn the engine off to pick up divers, and that includes over the stern of the Pacific. Nor do many of the chater boat skippers we dive with. Its a personal choice but in 20 years of diving I can't remember having a problem.
I agree. Once my Yamaha throttle has clicked into neutral, the safety trigger has to be pulled to get it in gear again. OTOH if the engine has been cut, it's much more of a palaver to get power again if it's needed.

FWIW my take on the unfortunate accident is the guy in the water probably grabbed the boat 3/4 of the way aft where it's easiest to climb in, his legs probably floated up under the hull as they tend to when you're in the water alongside, and then because the engine was still in gear he couldn't stop them drifting aft into the propellor as the boat continued to move forward.

Jim
__________________
jgrace is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11 July 2006, 12:49   #24
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Binfield
Boat name: merlinless now
Length: no boat
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 447
I teach

1) A prop check before starting, as example in the med i have seen people sitting on the stearndrives, hence check before starting.

2) MOB , drift on method , light conditions - engine off
3) MOB , moderate conditions , e.g nosing up and picking up one side - engine off
4) Very bad conditions, dont be so stupid and be out there the weather forcast are plenty good enought, but in this case, you may need the control

i do understand getting caught in bad weather, but the forecast are very good these days
__________________
Boatless - better get down the pub and drown my sorrows
Jimbob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11 July 2006, 13:08   #25
Member
 
Country: Ireland
Town: Dun Laoghaire
Boat name: Ruby
Make: Valiant 490
Length: 4m +
Engine: Yamaha 60-4
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 74
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbob
I teach

1) A prop check before starting, as example in the med i have seen people sitting on the stearndrives, hence check before starting.

2) MOB , drift on method , light conditions - engine off
3) MOB , moderate conditions , e.g nosing up and picking up one side - engine off
4) Very bad conditions, dont be so stupid and be out there the weather forcast are plenty good enought, but in this case, you may need the control

i do understand getting caught in bad weather, but the forecast are very good these days
Fair enough, Jimbob. A MOB may be distressed / uncertain and I can quite see why engine off would be helpful in such a situation. But would you recommend the above techniques to pick up a wakeboarder, diver, or donutter? (assuming donutter is the right spelling)

Jim
__________________
jgrace is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11 July 2006, 13:24   #26
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Binfield
Boat name: merlinless now
Length: no boat
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 447
jgrace, interesting question , i think i would still consider MOB, as they are OB, i would be interst in other comments as i am always intersted in improvements
__________________
Boatless - better get down the pub and drown my sorrows
Jimbob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11 July 2006, 15:57   #27
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Southampton
Boat name: Jaws
Make: Gemini 4.2
Length: 4m +
Engine: Tohatsu 50hp
MMSI: none
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 277
Send a message via MSN to Gray
I have been told the person / people involved in this incident had been taking illegal substances prior to it happening. If this was the case it certainly wouldn't have helped.
__________________
Gray is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11 July 2006, 16:26   #28
Member
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Make: HumberOceanOffshore
Length: 8m +
Engine: Volvo KAD300/DPX
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 4,962
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike B
...I wouldn't want the throttle knocking in to gear by mistake. (might be over cautious, but not sure how tough the neutral lock is??)
Some of the modern outboards don't even have a neutral lock. One of these and a centrally mounted throttle and you'd need to be particularly careful.

I've seen props spinning even when the lower unit is out of gear. The drag of the oil can do this. It probably wouldn't chop off your legs but I wouldn't willingly stick any part of my body into a rotating stainless prop.
__________________
JW.
jwalker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12 July 2006, 17:30   #29
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Towcester
Boat name: Treliska
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 6m +
Engine: Outboard 225 Optimax
MMSI: 232009522
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 187
RIBase
We teach (and do).....

Engine Always off unless:

a) there is a need to keep it on (lee shore, second set of divers surfacing, busy site, etc)
AND
b) the coxswain can stay at the controls

We have a merc centre mount box with no neutral lock.

But, we only switch it off once we have hold of the diver/MOB.
__________________
Andy_Rs600 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13 July 2006, 03:27   #30
Trade member
 
tim griffin's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Newport IoW
Boat name: Amean/Pronto/Rumbo
Make: Solent Rib Princess
Length: 7m +
Engine: 200hp Etec 260x 2
MMSI: lots of them
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,859
Good debate on the merits of switching off or keeping the engine running . We teach engine off as is best practice for level two and then discuss in what circumstances we would leave engine on ie waves and weather and how we could recover the MOB .IF we fail to pick up MOB on the second attempt,then a Mayday Call is a must.It boils down to the person in charge and what they think is best for the conditions and their ability to recover over the side of their particular , rib or sportsboat without harming the casualty or standing the boat into danger. On a seperate note when teaching rescue helm we always leave engine on but in neutral as not wise to cut the engine in surf and need to powerout of the surf zone.
__________________
Tim Griffin
RYA Freelance YMI power Powerboat and PWC instructor trainer vhf first aid sea survival Diesel engine radar and navigation instructor
tim griffin is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:39.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.