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Old 18 October 2015, 14:29   #11
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Poly, some good points which frankly are not arguable.

For the record, when it comes bill time I also wonder why I have what I do! Lol
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Old 18 October 2015, 14:37   #12
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Hey gurnard, the daddy of sib owners I think we all agree.

One thing if I may, why the trailer though? Would transom wheels or ballon type wheels not do the same thing essentially and blow it up en situ?
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Hi again Dubrus.. I gave the transom wheels away..they sat on the draw bar of my trailer so it was easier to push across the shores.

I couldn t lift the front of my SIB..never mind pull it on transom wheels.. just too heavy for me. But that could be because I wanted the best of both worlds.. a boat and a SIB ...with storage up front and a small console to hang onto..that holds the fish finder batteries and most important..keeps my camera equipment dry..its costs more than any SIB so cant afford to get it wet.

The trailer is so I don t have the experience of hauling the floor out every time. Its not an easy task..aslso a 4.3 meter floored SIB and an outboard would have a problem fitting into my SUV..even when neatly packed away.
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Great, getting somewhere now perhaps gurnard.

Part of the reason I made this thread was I fully intend to get a 4m ish sib and I'm now wondering if it will realistically need to live on a trailer for awkward launch sites. Or more to the point if it is a case of getting to a launch site I may as well just take the rib? If I need to tow something it won't be the sib.

My thinking was X sib and ballon wheels and drag it to wherever and launch it. do you think that is unrealistic assuming say a 4m hon wave and your engine for arguments sake?
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Great, getting somewhere now perhaps gurnard.

Part of the reason I made this thread was I fully intend to get a 4m ish sib and I'm now wondering if it will realistically need to live on a trailer for awkward launch sites. Or more to the point if it is a case of getting to a launch site I may as well just take the rib? If I need to tow something it won't be the sib.

My thinking was X sib and ballon wheels and drag it to wherever and launch it. do you think that is unrealistic assuming say a 4m hon wave and your engine for arguments sake?
What do you want to use the SIB for? What will you transport it in? (and with what other kit/people etc). If you happen to have a van, and/or very little kit that is a big advantage over say trying to take a family on holiday with the boat.

Personally I'd suggest the Gurnard's size of boat is a little too big for someone on their own who has a nice big RIB sitting at home. Let me explain that...

There are definitely days when you will wish you have a bigger boat (longer trips, more people, bigger waves etc). if you have a 6m rib you'd just use that instead. There are also days when you will wish you had a smaller, lighter rig - those are the days on your own when you've found parking spot 100 yrds from the shore on a slight slope, or when you only have a couple of hours. Personally, if all you want is quick and simple I'd look towards 3.2m air floor and 15HP (or the Hen's teeth 18HP twastsu two stroke) with transom wheels and a bravo pump...
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Poly, I realise sibs and ribs have their place so I'm looking for something for the times the tides doesn't suit launching or perhaps a bored afternoon and weather is good etc but can't be bothered with the hassle of trailers.

Transport isn't an issue, I have a 4x4 for towing the 6.8 so no matter what I buy will go in the boot....within reason of course.

I will never likely be on own, probably always 2 people hence the 4m or so.

Whilst a big guy myself I don't fancy lugging a modern 4 stroke about to hang it on the transom so a 15 would be the compromise perhaps, anything bigger I would do what gurnard does with his trolley.

There will be nothing in the sib, no cameras, fishing stuff etc as I don't like fishing. It is purely for pleasure use the same as my big one. Be me ANO and a fuel tank in it. No aux outboard as I won't use it miles from anywhere like some others perhaps, no camping gear etc as don't do that either.

This isn't a replacement for the big one btw, it is to complement it and maybe even take it with me sometimes when away.

If this means having to put a 4m on a trailer then I simply won't bother and just live with the rib, it isn't exactly a hardship to be fair.
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Poly, I realise sibs and ribs have their place so I'm looking for something for the times the tides doesn't suit launching or perhaps a bored afternoon and weather is good etc but can't be bothered with the hassle of trailers.
I'd say the hassle of assembling/inflating a sib is similar if not worse than trailer launching! Have you considered a Marina ?
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Transport isn't an issue, I have a 4x4 for towing the 6.8 so no matter what I buy will go in the boot....within reason of course.

I will never likely be on own, probably always 2 people hence the 4m or so.
depending on your boot size and boat choice some will need the back seats down - just in case you will ever be 3 up?

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This isn't a replacement for the big one btw, it is to complement it and maybe even take it with me sometimes when away.
One small enough to keep on deck would give you a tender - which is always the issue with a big rib when you want to go ashore somewhere remote/tidal...
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I normally launch at a marina if that is what you mean?

The 6.8 though is a big lump to launch myself though and ideally needs maybe 3 hours max either side of tide as where I launch (kip) levels out a little at the bottom, can make things a little tricky so I keep within that window.

I'm very happy with the 6.8 arrangements, that doesn't need changing. If tide allows I can have the boat in the water within an hour from thinking about it to sailing out the marina. I have never left my rib in less than a week unless it is loch lomond or puffin dive centre. kip is brilliant that way.

The sib will 99% of the time be 2 up and I have had a 3m suzumar in the boot with all my normal rib kit no bother inc my aux. The front of the rib has plenty of room to store a sib upto 4m if need be.

Do I need a sib, no....I want one though to see if it will fill in the gaps.
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>>> I'm looking for something for the times the tides doesn't suit launching or perhaps a bored afternoon and weather is good etc but can't be bothered with the hassle of trailers.
>>>never likely be on own, probably always 2 people

Well then I'd say the 15hp 2-stroke you mention is ideal but with only two folks and almost no kit 3.2-3.8m should be sufficient.


Unless you are an expedition type like Gurnard with a large and well kitted out SIB for several days away at a time for me the whole appeal of a SIB is their "out of the boot" ability... a fast response boat if you like.

Mine happens to be an Aerotec currently but I've had several over the last few years that have met the criteria...

No spare space in garage or elsewhere for a trailer but packed SIB and 15hp take up so little room. Whether I'm going 85mls to the sea or 500mls to Scotland for a week or two I want to travel at normal car speeds with no concerns of trailer security on meal breaks or overnight stops. On a normal day out I want the SIB, outboard and all its kit to fit in the loadspace under its pull out cover. At the launch site I don't want to park a trailer with the attendant space and security issues.

There is something quite special about arriving at a launch site with the car apparently having no association with boating... lift the tailgate then unpack and set up the SIB in short order to zoom off at near on 20kts to exciting places.

So I hear what leisure use folks say when they say it's easier with a trailer... but it would never be for me.
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Hi again Dubrus..

The trailer SIB would be handy at the launch site you cant get the RIB in at..but I guess you can launch further away with the RIB ..travel fast to get where I would launch ?


For me..the beauty of the trailer SIB.. as Poly again mentioned ..is the simplicity. On the spur of the moment..I can just up and go anywhere I fancy.. by myself.

An example ..in September .. I suddenly took a notion to see Knoydart..so packed the car..hitched the trailer up and I was off within a few hours of the initial though. Shoved the SIB and trailer across the shore at Arnisdale ..and that evening camped in remote Barrisdale bay.

Yup..for me and my set up.. that is how easy it is. I then abandoned the boat and tent on the remote shore and went hill walking for a couple of days. Im not worried about leaving the cheap as chips SIB unattended..its not expensive like a big RIB.. if someone was to go off with it.

Could you do that with your large trailered RIB ?

I think you would need to plan where to launch and recover from. Then travel a lot further by sea to get to Loch Hourn. Would you even be able to launch on your own .. on an unfamiliar site ..even if you found a decent shore / slipway you could reverse the car down ? Or would you need a helpful crew to assist. Would you be as impulsive if the bigger RIB took a lot of time to get ready.. perhaps the car loaded with lots more gear etc. Would you happily leave it as you wander off exploring ?

These are questions only you can answer Dubrus..but its the reason I love my SIB...and donít want a RIB.

I like the size and weight of mine too..although perhaps too big a SIB for some.. going round Eigg..in a force 4 ..I want all the length I can get. Im not bothered by bounce..but length means a lot to me in exposed conditions.

I guess..to sum it up ... for me.. its the adventure that counts.. not the vessel I go in.. its only a means of transport for me...if that makes sense

Remote but lovely Loch Hourn..



SIB and tent abandoned in beautiful surroundings as I wander the hills for a couple of days..



We all have our own ideas on our boating and what we want from it ..no setup is right..nor wrong..it is all a compromise ..whatever boat we have or how we use it
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