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Old 23 August 2007, 17:00   #1
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A mate of mine is after a really good sib with top performance . He is looking at a 4.1 Futura . I wondered if the Ceasar Surfcat may be an even better performing boat . Not sure what the futura will take engine size but the Surfcat will take over 50 hp and I expect perform not far short of a zapcat .

has anyone ever had a chance to compare the two .
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Old 28 August 2007, 08:50   #2
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I looked at all of those (plus the Gemini) and ended up with a Zodiac Futura 4.2m with a 50hp - mainly because I needed seating for 2 adults and 2 children.

If I was only looking at seating 2 adults, then the Ceasar Surfcat or Zapcat would get a lot of thought.
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Old 28 August 2007, 09:37   #3
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I looked at all of those (plus the Gemini) and ended up with a Zodiac Futura 4.2m with a 50hp - mainly because I needed seating for 2 adults and 2 children.

If I was only looking at seating 2 adults, then the Ceasar Surfcat or Zapcat would get a lot of thought.

The surfcat is 4.1m I think , didn't look at the beam but presume its similar size . He wan'ts and open tiller steered sib , and I am really thinking of doing the same .
For what I do with the rib a sib may be better and higher performance , maybe .
I have not seen iether in the flesh but looking at pictures the hijackers on the ceasar look much better plus it has footstraps .

Only worry is remembering just how hard work the Honda 3.8 I had was in big chop , the boat could take it you had to be superhuman .

Iether must be pretty good fun with a 50hp
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Old 28 August 2007, 09:57   #4
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I have the Futura FR Mk IIc- it goes like stink. THe nerve goes before the boat!
But at the same time is very family friendly with the tubes being comfortable as always, depends on the usage as to what is best, but the kids (14&16) can safely use it as well.
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I just picked up a Gemini Dive 470 (finally after ordering it 1 year ago). It is rated for up to 80 hp, and is one mother of a SIB. The build quality of this boat (1670 dtx hypalon) is amazing, but it is big & heavy when folded up. If you aren't trailering it, you'd definitely need a pickup truck to haul it around. I haven't taken any pictures yet but hopefully will this weekend and will do a write up on it.

The next size down in Gemini's SIB lineup is is the 4.2m Surf GRX. It is a fair bit roomier than a Mark 2 futura. Like the Dive series, the Surfs are also extremely well built, yet considerably lighter in weight.
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The next size down in Gemini's SIB lineup is is the 4.2m Surf GRX. It is a fair bit roomier than a Mark 2 futura. Like the Dive series, the Surfs are also extremely well built, yet considerably lighter in weight.
Would this be similar, albeit more toward the budget end:
Quicksilver Heavy Inflatable 4.3 - 18HP FS - 2,999
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Would this be similar, albeit more toward the budget end:
Quicksilver Heavy Inflatable 4.3 - 18HP FS - 2,999
No ! The difference is that the other ones above all have speed tubes/ hijackers underneath - which to the best of my knowledge, the Quicksilvers do not.
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they really Do not compare, the performance of the SLT is about 2x that of any other sib, the Futura can't hold a stick to any of them, the cat would just leave it standin thare.
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Would this be similar, albeit more toward the budget end:
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Very different hull designs. The Quicksilver has the more traditional inflatable V keel, whereas the catamaran hulls used found on the Dive, Surf & Zapcat, (Gemini), Surfcat, Thundercat & Thunderbolt (Ceasar), as well other thundercat designs such as those by Aquarius, all use highjackers to create an extremely efficient hull. Another benefit of these designs is the bottom fabric under the floorboards is raised and much better protected when beaching the boat.

The Zodiac Futura designs do use small highjackers, but also retain the central inflatable V keel. They would be far better off (both in terms of efficiency & durability/maintenance) to use larger highjackers and scrap the central V-keel entirely.
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The Zodiac Futura designs do use small highjackers, but also retain the central inflatable V keel. They would be far better off (both in terms of efficiency & durability/maintenance) to use larger highjackers and scrap the central V-keel entirely.
I disagree. The designs are different because the boats have a different target customer. The zodiac speed tubes do give lift for planning but the boat is also a very stable load carrier at slower speeds, and because the floor is lower than the cat designs is far more stable as a dive platform.
On the other hand the cats are intended for out and out speed for which they can be commended. If that is your thing.
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