Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
 
Old 21 February 2012, 06:25   #11
RIBnet admin team
 
Poly's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Boat name: imposter
Make: FunYak
Length: 3m +
Engine: 2 stroke YAM 20 HP
MMSI: 235089819
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,114
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Kennett View Post
I would really recommend travelling to a coastal training centre and not doing your powerboat course on a lake - you would miss out on a lot of useful experience that way.
I would agree with JK. The course content is different - and having started dinghy sailing (don't worry I grew out of it!) inland there was quite a difference when going to sea for the first time. With a powerboat that can cover a mile in 3 minutes quite easily then even the biggest lake isn't going to give you experience in making "journies".

All these costs could add up: PB2 ~ 200 per person. VHF ~ 100. Flares ~ 30 for the minimum. VHF course ~ 90 per person (including test). Anchor, warp etc ~ 60.

Whilst controversial - if budgets are tight then I wouldn't get too worried if you could afford the VHF but not the training course. You can learn how to use a standard handheld from books/internet pretty well. I'd also rather have an anchor than flares.
__________________
Poly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21 February 2012, 07:00   #12
Member
 
Ribochet's Avatar
 
Country: UK - N Ireland
Town: Rostrevor
Boat name: Ricochet
Make: Redbay
Length: 7m +
Engine: Twin F115 Yams
MMSI: 235083269
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 911
Quote:
Originally Posted by Polwart View Post
Whilst controversial - if budgets are tight then I wouldn't get too worried if you could afford the VHF but not the training course. You can learn how to use a standard handheld from books/internet pretty well. I'd also rather have an anchor than flares.
As you said contoversial.

To me a VHF is a "must have" and attached to a LJ. During training exercises I have made a number of "for training purposes only" calls to our Lifeboat and heard by Belfast Coastguard from a handheld VHF when in the water.

Given the capsize senario in the OP it is the one of the main pieces of kit that when the "call" is made will initiate the search and rescue operation that the casualty will so desperately want.

Also a point to note is that an anchor is only functional when the rode is long enough to be effective and in a SIB that may not be too deep of water. Thats why I always carry a sea anchor .
__________________

__________________
Maximum Preparation - Maximum Fun
Ribochet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21 February 2012, 12:12   #13
Member
 
lightning's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Marple
Make: Zodiac
Length: under 3m
Engine: Tohatsu 9.8
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 585
Thanks for the replies.

We'll look into the courses that are local to us. To be honest we are unlikely to venture out of the estuary and into the open sea, as our boat is so small.
__________________
lightning is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21 February 2012, 12:32   #14
RIBnet admin team
 
Poly's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Boat name: imposter
Make: FunYak
Length: 3m +
Engine: 2 stroke YAM 20 HP
MMSI: 235089819
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,114
Quote:
Originally Posted by lightning View Post
Thanks for the replies.

We'll look into the courses that are local to us. To be honest we are unlikely to venture out of the estuary and into the open sea, as our boat is so small.
Lightning - the inland and coastal courses follow different syllabuses: specifically dealing with tides. That is why we are encouraging you to think about coastal centres. Doesn't necessarily need to be open sea, just tidal water that the centre is based on.
__________________
Poly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21 February 2012, 13:50   #15
Trade member
 
tim griffin's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Newport IoW
Boat name: Amean/Pronto/Rumbo
Make: Solent Rib Princess
Length: 7m +
Engine: 200hp Etec 260x 2
MMSI: lots of them
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,859
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ribochet View Post
As you said contoversial.

To me a VHF is a "must have" and attached to a LJ. During training exercises I have made a number of "for training purposes only" calls to our Lifeboat and heard by Belfast Coastguard from a handheld VHF when in the water.

Given the capsize senario in the OP it is the one of the main pieces of kit that when the "call" is made will initiate the search and rescue operation that the casualty will so desperately want.

Also a point to note is that an anchor is only functional when the rode is long enough to be effective and in a SIB that may not be too deep of water. Thats why I always carry a sea anchor .
Agree
also ilegal to use vhf without a licence flares are a must have.
Choose a training centre on the coast as othes have said .
Tim
__________________
Tim Griffin
RYA Freelance YMI power Powerboat and PWC instructor trainer vhf first aid sea survival Diesel engine radar and navigation instructor
tim griffin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21 February 2012, 14:03   #16
RIBnet admin team
 
Poly's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Boat name: imposter
Make: FunYak
Length: 3m +
Engine: 2 stroke YAM 20 HP
MMSI: 235089819
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 10,114
Tim, whilst technically you are correct, but can you cite any real examples of a leisure user being challenged using radio sensibly in recent times (since free licenses) - never mind actually prosecuted?

It's really a bit of a money making racket for the rya.


Here is what ofcom say:

What does this
mean to you?
Even if you have
a radio which is covered by a valid WT Act licence you are not permitted to
use it for general transmissions until you have either passed the relevant examination
and are in possession of an operator's certificate and authority to operate,
or have someone on board who has. This does not mean that the radio cannot
be monitored for safety purposes or used to summon assistance in a distress
situation. This is because the terms of the licence require that the radio
is operated by or under the direct and personal supervision of a holder of a
valid marine radio operator's certificate. The Authority to Operate from the
Secretary of State also forms part of the operator's certificate. This certificate
ensures that users of maritime radio have proven that they understand and are
able to use the correct procedures for radio use and will not cause a nuisance
to their fellow radio users including other vessels and HM Coastguard.
__________________
Poly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21 February 2012, 15:02   #17
RIBnet admin team
 
willk's Avatar
 
Country: Ireland
Make: Redbay Boats
Length: 9m +
Engine: 370hp
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 12,928
RIBase
Quote:
Originally Posted by Polwart View Post
It's really a bit of a money making racket for the rya.
Need a hand here P.? - Remember my RNLI thread?

I had a look through an RYA course list recently - it was fairly comprehensive...
__________________
willk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21 February 2012, 16:25   #18
Trade member
 
tim griffin's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Newport IoW
Boat name: Amean/Pronto/Rumbo
Make: Solent Rib Princess
Length: 7m +
Engine: 200hp Etec 260x 2
MMSI: lots of them
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,859
Quote:
Originally Posted by Polwart View Post

Whilst controversial - if budgets are tight then I wouldn't get too worried if you could afford the VHF but not the training course. You can learn how to use a standard handheld from books/internet pretty well. I'd also rather have an anchor than flares.
Why are you so anti RYA
Tim ?.
__________________
Tim Griffin
RYA Freelance YMI power Powerboat and PWC instructor trainer vhf first aid sea survival Diesel engine radar and navigation instructor
tim griffin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21 February 2012, 16:52   #19
Dhf
Member
 
Dhf's Avatar
 
Country: UK - Wales
Length: no boat
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,012
Well around my way anyone caught more than a few hundred yards offshore with no safety gear, would be escorted back to shore with a ticking off.
With all the safety gear, and knowing how to use, will come more confidence.
Life jackets, VHF Radio, Coastal Flare kit, (Only difference with offshore flare packs you get more rockets), anchor and chain with at least 50m rope, plus suitable clothing and refreshments,

Whilst assisting in a mayday call a few years back in a vessal with chanel zero, The importance of competent radio contact became all to clear, We were on passage with 12 passengers aboard at the time, As soon as i heard Mayday i pulled back rev's, listening to a very unsure,
" Mayday Mayday we've lost our diver's please help".
As we were considered as aux LB we let the Coast gaurd take control of trying to find out where exactly they where and how long diver's been down, Five minutes later we were travelling a full throttle in the general direction, listening to the finer details coming over the radio as to the diver's initial drop point and time.
After checking the chart and working out how far those diver's should have travelled with 7 reducing to 5knt tide pushing them, Ten minutes later we located two very cold frightened divers bobbing down the coast, with no decompression issue's thankfully, Their helms man who was suposed to be keeping an eye on their markers initially, was searching himself over a mile away, The point is if the initial vhf distress call would have been correct we could have got there even quicker,
so it's well worth learning and practicing with friends the correct procedure. even if don't get round to doing your test, least you'll learn the important bits,
With your eagerness to learn more, and your previous tiller experience, you're more than half way there, Don't be frightened of the sea, just treat her with respect and you'll love her.
__________________
Dhf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21 February 2012, 17:12   #20
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Sussex
Boat name: Bombard, Y-162
Make: Aerotec 380, Y-Class
Length: 3m +
Engine: Mercury Mariner 15hp
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 2,692
Really surprised at advice on here to not do a VHF course and just (try) to muddle through.
__________________

__________________
Max... is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:27.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.