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Old 08 March 2015, 05:55   #61
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Is the lights fixed to the trailer law retrospective ?, or just for new build trailers.
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Old 08 March 2015, 06:03   #62
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As devils advocate..........

It appears that the latest raft of EU legislation states the maximum trailer length is 7 meters. With the boat overhanging the trailer I understood we were exempt on the basis of "indivisible load"
Incorrect-it's an indivisible abnormal load and the 7m trailer limit doesn't apply.
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however as the trailer lights must now be attached to the trailer, not the boat,
This has always been the case
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then they become part of the trailer and I'm sure for many of us will result in a trailer over 7 meters ????
They don't count towards the length of the trailer as they aren't load bearing.


AFAIK, you're ok as long as the combination length is under 29 metres (think glider trailers) and it's an indivisble abnormal load. You might be in trouble if the plod pull you over and you're carrying multiple boats in line on one trailer with over 7m load bearing length as that's not then an indivisible load.

Also AFAIK, the trailer length is defined by the bed length-or load bearing area and I would argue that as being the distance from the bow snub to the rearmost roller-so you disregard the A-frame
My Rollercoaster under the Ballistic is longer than 7m including the A-frame
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Is the lights fixed to the trailer law retrospective ?, or just for new build trailers.
It's not retrospective.

It's also not legislation that applies to anyone apart from the trailer manufacturer as it only applies to the type approval of the trailer at point of "registration" (I'd love to know how they're applying "registration" to unregistered trailers)

In other words, go out, buy your new trailer remove the crap lights that are bolted on and put a trailerboard on it if you want.
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My kids small sailboat combi trailer use's a mast support that attaches to the rear of the dinghy, and carries the lighting board also. This seems to be the norm on small dinghy's of say 14' or shorter .

Is this set-up now be illegal ?.
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Theoretically it's always been illegal. Realistically, if it's safe, not miles up in the air and the lights are properly visible, nobody's going to bother you.

Realistically, if you go around driving like a knob with the dinghy on the back and get stopped AND the policeman has a clue,plus access to the construction and use regs you might get it added to charges.
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Thats what I thought on reading your earlier reply, I have done thousands of miles towing this set-up with no problems with plod, yet !.

Even the new dinghy trailers supplied today still use the same system.

thanks for the reply.
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Even the new dinghy trailers supplied today still use the same system.
Don't think they do:


But there has been discussion before if the lighting board attached to boat rather than trailer is legal and while the consensus seemed to be the lights are meant to be on the trailer not the load it was hard to argue a case that it was better for dinghy trailers so unlikely to attract attention unless you got a pedant who actually wanted to do you for something else but could not make that stick...
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To add information I had the reply direct from the dvla.


If you hold a category B driving licence you can drive a vehicle of 3500kg and tow a trailer up to 750kg. In addition, you can also drive a vehicle and ANY size trailer provided the MAM (Maximum Authorised Mass) of vehicle and trailer is not more than 3500kg.

For example, a vehicle with a MAM of 1500kg coupled with a trailer with a MAM of 2000kg can be driven by the holder of a category B entitlement. This is providing the vehicle is able to tow the weight and the combination does not exceed 3500kg.

Therefore providing the MAM weight of the car and boat is under 3500kg, then you will be able to drive this on a normal category B car licence.

I hope this answers your query.


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I did also asked them what they define to be the trailer. How I read it the trailer does not include the load and the weight restrictions apply to the trailer alone. The boat is not the trailer it is the load.

They never answered me though...potential loop hole in the system?
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Erm... Maybe, maybe not. Your wording is confusing. Sorry to sound nit-picky but there's a potential confusion there, and DVLA have given you some wrong info as well.

There's no such thing as 'MAM weight', it's just ' Maximum Authorised Mass'. Maximum Authorised Mass for the trailer is the total permissable weight of the 'entity'-ie trailer AND load.

This explains it better-in fact it's the best explanation I've seen so far:-

Towing - Are you legal? - The Camping and Caravanning Club

Note the bit about "As long as the MAM of the trailer does not exceed the unladen (aka kerbside) weight of the towing vehicle." DVLA need their arses severely chewing for giving out the wrong info. If you're towing a 2000kg trailer with a car with 1500kg MAM, the car's only going to weigh about a tonne. That's not even broadly definable as 'safe', it's bloody lethal.
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To add information I had the reply direct from the dvla.


If you hold a category B driving licence you can drive a vehicle of 3500kg and tow a trailer up to 750kg. In addition, you can also drive a vehicle and ANY size trailer provided the MAM (Maximum Authorised Mass) of vehicle and trailer is not more than 3500kg.

For example, a vehicle with a MAM of 1500kg coupled with a trailer with a MAM of 2000kg can be driven by the holder of a category B entitlement. This is providing the vehicle is able to tow the weight and the combination does not exceed 3500kg.

Therefore providing the MAM weight of the car and boat is under 3500kg, then you will be able to drive this on a normal category B car licence.

I hope this answers your query.


............

I did also asked them what they define to be the trailer. How I read it the trailer does not include the load and the weight restrictions apply to the trailer alone. The boat is not the trailer it is the load.

They never answered me though...potential loop hole in the system?
No, there are no loop holes, only ways for you to get your trailer impounded at the side of the road or an fine and points for driving without the right license. Try to argue the loophole you think is there at court and the CPS will charge costs more than taking the right test!
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