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Old 05 January 2011, 14:26   #11
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Might be that the situation in UK will be more or less the same as here now, in a few years?

Possible to build Your own trailer, but not much point in it as brakes, axles, lights, towbars needs to be CE certified(= purchased as a part with paperworks). No welding, and some calculations for the frame also needed. Number of light/reflectors will also increase. Over here the requirement for towbar certification started 2007, since then not very popular to DIY trailers due to cost.

Unbraked(750kg) no MOT, but braked MOT every second Year. Good or bad, don't know but thats how things tends to work within EU.
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Old 22 January 2011, 07:39   #12
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How to make an existing trailer legal

I have a small unbraked trailer sitting in a store that I have not used for many years. It is probably at least 15ys old. It gives the appearance of being well and professionally built (fully galvanised) and is certainly far more substantial than many trailers I have seen of similar size. The previous owner used it for a jetski whilst some years back I used it for a sub 3m rib.

I am pretty sure it has no plate showing maximum gross weight or year of manufacture but will check next week sometime when I am at this store.

From the Parkers website I understand that

“Since 1982 all trailers, including unbraked ones, must be clearly marked with their maximum gross weight in kilogrammes.

Since January 1, 1997, all unbraked trailer plates must show the year of manufacture.”


Although it cost me very little it seems a shame to scrap what seems like a well built piece of kit so if I want to use it how do I make it legal?

Do I have to get it certified and if so how do I go about this?

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Old 22 January 2011, 08:18   #13
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MOTs might be a good thing - might drive the UK/EU market to offer proper boat trailer brakes instead of that caravan sh*t that corrode up a couple of days after the first dunking or else need constant maintainance.
I don't understand the logic of your argument. It is already illegal to use a trailer on the road in an unsafe condition (i.e. with defective brakes). All a spot test once a year will do is (a) mean that once a year the trailer gets fixed enough to pass the test; (b) make people believe [as they do with cars] that if they have an MOT certificate they will be road legal for the next 12 months. It could actually make "driver's" feel less responsible for the roadworthiness of their trailer.

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One thing this will do stop is cowboys setting up business in their garages selling dangerous equipment to Joe Public.
Will it? if someone is a cowboy then they are hardly going to worry about regulations which Joe Public won't understand. Eventually trading standards etc might catch up - but a look at how the RCD is not actively enforced by trading standards probably given an insight as to what would happen to stop "cheaptrailer.com" setting up this year and reappearing as "bargain-trailers.co.uk" when someone starts complaining.

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Will trailer MOTs be introduced any time soon? I dont believe so in the near future however expect it in the next 3 years. But this is a good thing we should all have road worthy trailers
with no centralised database or register of trailers this sounds rather difficult to manage / enforce (if I had 3 trailers could I get one Mot'd and produce the same paperwork for whichever one I get asked for). A precursor will presumably have to be some insistence on a unique VIN type no on each trailer, and some registry of this info. There would also either need to be some exemption for old trailers (difficult to prove how old a trailer REALLY is without a registration system though!) or some way for all old trailers to be brought onto the registry... ...all of which sounds complicated and expensive and yet, as far as I am aware trailer defects contribute only a small fraction to the accident and casualty statistics on our roads. Would the cost and beaurocracy really justify the result? Would a few more roadside VOSA inspections (with resulting prosecution) not achieve a more effective result, quicker, and at lower cost?
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Old 23 January 2011, 17:03   #14
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As far as trailer testing goes ,boat trailers won't fit in most MOT bays attached to the back of a car unless its a drive-through bay (which is rare) so the brakes can't be tested on car mot rollers (unless the trailer isn't attached to a car,in which case it will be uncontrollable when the brakes are applied) plus car brake rollers won't do twin axle trailers because the axles are too close together. So that leaves VOSA testing stations ,usually used to testing trucks,buses and HGV trailers and they havn't the capacity to start testing thousands of small trailers ,which unlike hgv trailers aren't registered anywhere so big brother doesn't know how many there are or who has got them.
So I wouldn't expect this to happen any time soon!
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Old 26 October 2011, 12:25   #15
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Recent forum updates about tachos has made me check again- The local garage has shown me some legislation but as operators there appears to be no way to avoid having a tacho fitted for commercial work
I copied this which is similar to start of this post but feel it needs highlighting as October was the start time

"Until recently the effect of this legislation in relation to vehicles below 3,500 kilograms
maximum permissible weight when drawing trailers was slightly confusing. There was
guidance issued by the Department of Transport that stated that trailers not used for the
conveyance of goods need not be considered in the weight calculation. However this
has since been challenged in Court and the Court’s finding was that all trailers must be
considered in the weight calculation when considering whether recording equipment
should be used.
In simple terms it means that any vehicle with a gross train mass exceeding 3,500
kilograms drawing a trailer of any description, and used in connection with a trade or
business, is required to use activity recording equipment and comply with EU drivers hours regulations.
There are SOME Exemptions-
Vehicles with a maximum permissible weight of not more than 7.5 tonnes carrying
material or equipment for the driver's use in the course of his work within a 50 kilometre
radius of the place where the vehicle is normally based, provided that driving the vehicle
does not constitute the driver's main activity."

Looking at most of the commercial ribs circa 8 metre the weight of the RIB, Trailer equipment and fuel with the tow vehicle will be over the 3500 kg level

Towing a smaller unit under the 50 k range we may be exempt.
I am guessing this will affect us all and will impact on Olympic delivery to Weymouth in the near future if you are sending/taking RIBS / boats.

Pls tell me if I am missing the point/rules
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Old 26 October 2011, 12:28   #16
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One thing this will do stop is cowboys setting up business in their garages selling dangerous equipment to Joe Public.
Weren't you an agent for matey in Christchurch?
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Old 27 October 2011, 03:25   #17
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Trailer Bloke & Trailer Guy?.....

Think I might have to change my name on here, to avoid any confusion!

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Recent forum updates about tachos has made me check again- The local garage has shown me some legislation but as operators there appears to be no way to avoid having a tacho fitted for commercial work
I copied this which is similar to start of this post but feel it needs highlighting as October was the start time

"Until recently the effect of this legislation in relation to vehicles below 3,500 kilograms
maximum permissible weight when drawing trailers was slightly confusing. There was
guidance issued by the Department of Transport that stated that trailers not used for the
conveyance of goods need not be considered in the weight calculation. However this
has since been challenged in Court and the Court’s finding was that all trailers must be
considered in the weight calculation when considering whether recording equipment
should be used.
In simple terms it means that any vehicle with a gross train mass exceeding 3,500
kilograms drawing a trailer of any description, and used in connection with a trade or
business, is required to use activity recording equipment and comply with EU drivers hours regulations.
There are SOME Exemptions-
Vehicles with a maximum permissible weight of not more than 7.5 tonnes carrying
material or equipment for the driver's use in the course of his work within a 50 kilometre
radius of the place where the vehicle is normally based, provided that driving the vehicle
does not constitute the driver's main activity."

Looking at most of the commercial ribs circa 8 metre the weight of the RIB, Trailer equipment and fuel with the tow vehicle will be over the 3500 kg level

Towing a smaller unit under the 50 k range we may be exempt.
I am guessing this will affect us all and will impact on Olympic delivery to Weymouth in the near future if you are sending/taking RIBS / boats.

Pls tell me if I am missing the point/rules
For commercial operators:

If the plated weight of the combo is under 3500kg - no tacho/o-licence required.

Between 3500kg and 7500kg - tacho required (although the 50km exemption applies). O-licence may be required depending on the ULW of the trailer (this sounds like the bit that may have changed). In the past, if the ULW of the trailer is less than 1020kg, then it was ignored for the purposes of calculation.

Over 7500kg - tacho and o licence required.

Links to relevent documents:

Goods vehcicle operator licensing (GV74) http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repositor...Jan%202011.pdf
1020kg exemption still seems to apply (P6)

Rules on Driver's Hours and Tachographs (GV262) http://www.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repositor...d%20Europe.pdf
The 50km limit still applies for combos under 7.5t (P15)
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Old 27 October 2011, 14:23   #19
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Simeon, I know it is a serious subject but I have to say that if they sell to Joe Public some dangerous equipment then Joe wont go back to him again!

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