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Old 14 May 2019, 17:20   #1
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5000kg boat.

Looking at a heavier 5000kg. . I appreciate it is not towable behind the discovery. Read some stuff about Mini Artics but not worked it out yet.

I have a 1993 license with be and c1e.

Two questions.
Is there another way other than mini artic. To tow a load such as above. Eg American truck, air brakes, Fifth wheel?

Second query. I am no doubtful about my current setup. 2.2t ish discovery 2, towing trailer with gross capacity of 2600kg and boat of around 1500-1800kg

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Old 14 May 2019, 17:34   #2
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If you passed your test in 1993 then your current set-up is legal, providing the weight of the boat is within that 2600kg combined with the weight of the trailer. Best thing to do would be get it weighed at a weighbridge - if the whole boat and trailer is less than 2600kg you're legal (Disco is legal to tow up to 3500kg on overun brakes, more if you have air brakes fitted but from memory only up to 4500kg gross).

As for the other, you'll need something that is capable and legal of towing that sort of weight and you'll be looking at a trailer with air brakes. 5th wheeler pickup rigs are pretty common in the US for larger boats - the biggest issue of going down that road in the UK, assuming you imported something would be getting it through all the UK road law hoops, MOT, type approval etc.
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Old 15 May 2019, 00:48   #3
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5000kg boat.

VanClaes make a 5th wheel triple axle trailer, I shudder to think what they cost. You’d still have to find something to pull it though.
At 5t for the boat + trailer + tow vehicle, you’re going to be well over the 7.5t limit on your license. You might have to go Class2 HGV
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Simple answer is its impractical to tow 5000kg. you couldn't even load that onto a 7.5t truck and drive on your licence
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Old 15 May 2019, 03:07   #5
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You'd need it craned in when you get there too, so not like you can really "trailer-sail" it anyway?
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I think the C1E license you have will limit you to a combined weight of vehicle and trailer to 8.25 tonnes. A 5 tonne boat with a (guess) 1.5 tonne trailer would give you only 1.75 tonnes for the towing vehicle which I don't think is achievable.

The C1E license will go up to a 12 tonne combined limit but I don't know what is involved in going from 8.25 tonnes to 12 tonnes.

A Unimog would be one option although I guess there are other 7,500kg GVW vehicles that would be capable of towing. I think the challenge would be keeping the towing vehicle down to 5.5 tonnes or so assuming you can get the 12 tonne capacity.

Alternatively do your HGV license and then there are no end of (man maths possible) options.
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Nah, you're stuck. C1E is currently up to 8250kgs combined vehicle and trailer. The problem is your boat plus a suitable trailer doesn't leave enough weight for a vehicle capable of towing that load.

The vanclaes rig only gets you into the 4000kg range. I spoke to them about this rig at length but it turned out that though I could make the weight work, they weren't keen on immersing the trailer brakes so it was no use to me. There's always a catch.
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Looking at a heavier 5000kg. . I appreciate it is not towable behind the discovery. Read some stuff about Mini Artics but not worked it out yet.



I have a 1993 license with be and c1e.



Two questions.

Is there another way other than mini artic. To tow a load such as above. Eg American truck, air brakes, Fifth wheel?



Second query. I am no doubtful about my current setup. 2.2t ish discovery 2, towing trailer with gross capacity of 2600kg and boat of around 1500-1800kg



Thanks gt


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Old 15 May 2019, 05:51   #9
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Are you a BIBOA member ? If not it might be worth asking Trevor G ( on here ) to put you in touch with some of the guys who did tow 10M ribs up and down the country ( although I believe there always were questions about TOTAL compliance and they had American import vehicles & air brakes ).

Also Andy Micklewright ( occasional poster on here ) used to carry his big Redbay on the back of an artic and crane in when visiting marinas at the other end of the country ! Very helpful chap might be able to help ?
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Old 15 May 2019, 15:58   #10
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Theres a guy visits Levington marina with a big rib with twin diesels ,tows with a Unimog ,hav,nt a clue if this is in the right ballpark or helpful
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