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Old 08 January 2003, 08:39   #31
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I use to use a USA set and the only bug is to remember to set it to international as they power up on USA frequency If you are having problems I will be happy to give you a hand give me a PM or mail me at john@ribdromedary.co.uk

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Old 08 January 2003, 10:12   #32
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Well I have to thank you all for putting the time in on this subject,as we all know a ifi vhf is a danger rather than a asset.I contacted the rca and they told me the liscence does require some radio details and that they should cross refrence these facts,in practice maybe they arnt that thurough though?I explained that sureley if they granted a liscence for a radio that wasnt type approved then they would be responsible and they felt it was the owners responsibility,to make sure the radio would comply?And that if it was a contributri reason for a subsequent insurance claim? then the law would prevail.


Withought prejudice .It is my opinion that you may get away with a none type approved set on your boat,The problem is that weathere we realise it or not as far as the sea goes and the regulations go and vhf sets then a reliable type approved set is of paramount importance.

Mateboy you have had some stick over this and if others make different decisions with regardes vhf then it has been worth everybodys imput,whatever there views.

Thanks for bringing up a important subject

Good ribbing Crazyhorse

Ps I will Still will find out weather it is on a type approval list or not
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Old 08 January 2003, 12:51   #33
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Its fairly clear that its the users responsibility from my earlier post? - I'm sure the RA will only complain if it starts to bugger up other radio equipment nearby - which could cause problems with a mayday rescue etc etc.

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Under the Radio Equipment and Telecommunications Terminal Equipment Regulations 2000, which implements the R&TTE Directive in the UK, it is a legal requirement that all radio equipment (with certain specific exceptions) meets certain essential requirements. It is the responsibility of any person who places radio equipment on the market or takes it into service to ensure that the requirements of the R&TTE Directive are met. It must be marked with the CE marking which means that a written declaration of conformity by the manufacturer has been drawn up for it, together with information for the user on the intended use of the equipment (e.g. Maritime radio).

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Old 08 January 2003, 13:24   #34
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I didn't

...think that the matter of having a VHF onboard is so complicated. We operate ships and it seems that the rules are less stricked for vessels that they are for small craft.
I will personally obey and stick to the rules that apply for vessels rather than all this.
All this stuff looks very starnge to me.
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Old 08 January 2003, 13:39   #35
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what have I started ?

yikes, boating is complicated

picked up from the boat show a free motorboating magazine which was a special giving advice on which boat to buy and how to start in boating

having read it I am surprised anybody would buy a boat, first buy yourself a boat for a small fortune, then try and understand all the thousands of bits of safety gear you need to buy for another 10 grand

then off to night school to learn how to use your new toy

no wonder there are a lot of jetskiers and windsurfers around

back to the VHF issue,

earlier quote by jools

"Its fairly clear that its the users responsibility from my earlier post? - I'm sure the RA will only complain if it starts to bugger up other radio equipment nearby - which could cause problems with a mayday rescue etc etc."


what happens when an american yaght with my vhf on board sails across the pond to the UK, are they by using their vhf
buggering up other equiptment and breaking some law ?

there must be lots of american boats in the uk using american equiptment at any one time

Hmmm confused
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Old 08 January 2003, 13:53   #36
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I agree with you 100+100%
Have also made the same points as jools previously.
I think that all this rules regs are just made for the naive I say to buy products that are highly overpriced from this mafia gang called small boat chandlers.
In short a VHF works as a VHF in the same frequencies as all VHFs work everywhere else in the world. FULL STOP!!! There is no difference!!!
I would like to ask if any one has been stopped EVER by an official anywhere in the World (not only in the UK) and has been asked has whether his VHF got a CE marked or if the VHF has been purchased in the UK or in Uganda?? I would be interested to know. I haven't been stopped any where. NEVER!!!
Also when one applies for a VHF licence for his boat does the licence ask whether you bought the VHF from USA, UK, GR, SAfrica, Australia or Singapore or if the VHF is CE marked?? Don't think so
So keep it simple guys and stop lying the pockets of the shopkeepers with your hard eraned money!!
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Manos,

No-one is ever going to ask if it is CE marked since this is not a legal requirment. In the UK, type-approval is required. The rest of the world i don't know about. American products will be type aproved.

CE marking only applies when buying - resellers can not sell non CE marked stuff. Of course CE marking does guarantee type-approval though!

Does that make anything clearer?

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I know all what you say and the point I'm trying to make is
what is all this fuss about??
People can use any VHF they like, it can be made anywhere in the World, approved by any authority in the World and as long as is made by a reputable manufacturer and is a VHF (i.e. working within the VHF frequencies) it does not make any difference does it? No official will ask for type approval would they??
So if one can buy a cheaper VHF from the US, SAfrica etc (which they can) then buy it from there. Is not a problem if it does not have a CE mark and is not type approved no one will ask about that EVER.
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The bottom line is you buy a piece of equipmet thats not type approved for use in Europe and your knakered, if it couses a problem.I.e if it doesnt work when you need it or couses something further to happen,you may have insurance implications and everybody else on you back,depending what happens?.

It is your responsibility to check?I am of the opinion that the RCA cant get off the hook that easily and if they have given you a liscence for a None type approved radio then they are also open to serious critisism at best.

My personal advice .Dont do a VHF on the cheap,what may seem a bargain could end up the most expensive piece of equipment you ever owned.

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Crazyhorse

OK I see what you are saying. But can you tell me the difference of a (say) Icom VHF whichg is made for the US without a CE mark and an Icom VHF with a CE mark.
I have both same type and there is NO difference between them and the same has also been advised by an electronics expert. We actually took both sets appart and all the bits have the same codes etc.
So what is all this fuss about??
I say GO CHEAP!!! if you can without risking it LOLOL
Bet you won't agree with me
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