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Old 17 October 2005, 14:23   #11
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We have just checked the rumour. We heared it from a boatbulider in Gøteborg. They claimed that www.vagbrytarna.se had big broblems with Verado and more than four brakedowns. We called Thomas at this chartercompany and talked to him. They have no Verado-engines, but are going to by Verado because of their relaiability, extreemely good acceleration and overal a good motor. He also said that most chartercompanies in Sweeden do change their engines for Verados.
We did call around to other companies in Sweeden to check out if this was the case. They all confirmed that the Verado was an excelent engine.
We do know that we made waves by posting this post initially, but we spend hard earned money on engines every year. It is goood to get the best confirmation you can get before you invest huge amouts of money.
After reading a lot of chatsites in in the US, and got all this confirmation, we have finally decided that the next engines for sure will be 2x275 Verado!
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Old 17 October 2005, 14:27   #12
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We have just checked the rumour. We heared it from a boatbulider in Gøteborg. They claimed that www.vagbrytarna.se had big broblems with Verado and more than four brakedowns. We called Thomas at this chartercompany and talked to him. They have no Verado-engines, but are going to by Verado because of their relaiability, extreemely good acceleration and overal a good motor. He also said that most chartercompanies in Sweeden do change their engines for Verados.
We did call around to other companies in Sweeden to check out if this was the case. They all confirmed that the Verado was an excelent engine.
We do know that we made waves by posting this post initially, but we spend hard earned money on engines every year. It is goood to get the best confirmation you can get before you invest huge amouts of money.
After reading a lot of chatsites in in the US, and got all this confirmation, we have finally decided that the next engines for sure will be 2x275 Verado!
Only believe half what you see, and nothing what you hear....
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Old 17 October 2005, 15:02   #13
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I was on the phone to Marine Power in belgum today (Merc/Mariner Europe) And they no nothing about this problem either!!. Im sure if they had six engines replaced then Marine Power would no about it!!!
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Old 17 October 2005, 15:09   #14
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Which just goes to prove you should check every statement like this carefully, before it enters the realms of Urban Myth.

Seems not everyone can fully comprehend this important fact, especially those not even a nano bit involved and hasn't made a multi £,000,000 investment in manufacture...

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"Very interesting - seemed a bit too good to be true that something that complicated wouldn't have SOME teething troubles!!!"

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So you would rather have a go at my innocent remark than someone who posts REALLY damaging stuff??? Says a lot really.....

As to things having teething troubles I think you will find Evinrude - Mercury etc etc have had their fair share - VERY few products don't have them in the early days!!!
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Old 17 October 2005, 15:20   #15
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Fjordrafting, here is some extra pics for your friends with the XR problems.
Its the Konrad 540 compared to the Mercruiser TRS.
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I do think that the original post was asking for factual support or denial of the story that there were problems with Verados in Sweden. I think you will agree that with the co-operation of all the parties involved that replied, including Scandinavian dealers and the actual RIB manufacturer himself that this story turned out to be more fairy than fair. In this way, this forum has once again proved to be a serious source of good information which has helped this business progress in the right way.

Your response was purely speculative and unhelpful. Peoples lives might be at risk with false information and spurious speculation and businesses and reputations could be seriously damaged. Whereas I am sure that your response was intended to be helpful, I do believe in this instance that the poster wanted contact from actual Verado owners, dealers or users. That is why I didn't reply for example, because I'm not, and didn't have anything to add to their serious question regarding the committment (or not) of up to £30,000, purchasing engines for their marine business. In fact, because I fully intend to repower with a Verado next year, I was more than interested in the answers from people who should know.

You are of course correct that many manufacturers rush their products out to market before testing is fully complete, and let their customers finish the test cycles for them, resulting in failures that are loosely described as "teething troubles", but again, they don't ALL fail, and you will never know what the statistics of success/failure actually are. Only you, as an owner, would have knowledge of the product you purchased and possibly a couple of your mates. Beyond that, any knowledge you claim, because this is what you have read about, is pure speculation and heresay.
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Old 17 October 2005, 15:52   #17
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We have just checked the rumour. We heared it from a boatbulider in Gøteborg. They claimed that www.vagbrytarna.se had big broblems with Verado and more than four brakedowns. We called Thomas at this chartercompany and talked to him. They have no Verado-engines, but are going to by Verado because of their relaiability, extreemely good acceleration and overal a good motor. He also said that most chartercompanies in Sweeden do change their engines for Verados.
We did call around to other companies in Sweeden to check out if this was the case. They all confirmed that the Verado was an excelent engine.
We do know that we made waves by posting this post initially, but we spend hard earned money on engines every year. It is goood to get the best confirmation you can get before you invest huge amouts of money.
After reading a lot of chatsites in in the US, and got all this confirmation, we have finally decided that the next engines for sure will be 2x275 Verado!
Martin, I am very pleased to hear that this has now all been explained and that there was no truth in your initial claim whatsoever.

So if I put your both statements together ie; your much earlier complimentary report about our Parker 900 Baltic and now that your next engines will be 2 x 275 Verado then I can only as you only confirm what we have been saying all the time. Yes we do have a very good package for your type of operation
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Old 17 October 2005, 17:36   #18
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Fjordrafting, here is some extra pics for your friends with the XR problems.
Its the Konrad 540 compared to the Mercruiser TRS.
We do also run XR-drives on our 36 feet rib, and they do brake, and we have surched for better solutions, and we have also found Conrad. The most normal failure on the XR-drives is the upper gear. We have seen pictures of both XR and Conrad -gear together, and the Conradgear has 70% more areal on their theeth, very impressive.
But there is a huge but. The price of a Conrad is almost the same as a 250 Suzuki. And that is for the drive only, and then you have to by the i.b. engine! A lot of money! But if you want to be serious, there is no dout that the Conrad drive is a very good solution.
Why Conrad, do you sell them on the Ringboats? By the way, Henshaw inflatable was just in Norway to repair on my 36, and they spoke highly about the Ringboats, good for you!
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Old 17 October 2005, 17:51   #19
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Your response was purely speculative and unhelpful. Peoples lives might be at risk with false information and spurious speculation and businesses and reputations could be seriously damaged. Whereas I am sure that your response was intended to be helpful, I do believe in this instance that the poster wanted contact from actual Verado owners, dealers or users.
"Lives might be at risk"! That was a though one.
I am 100% sure that Verado came out stronger than ever due to my posts. A lot of people here on rib.net are going to by an engine sooner or later. They do not know what to by, when I started to post extremely negative, made a lot of investigation, and then posted that I for sure will by Verado, there is no doubt in my mind that it might convinse potential byers.
Our company break almost everything in our boats including the boat, so when we say that we go for something, I think it counts. And if any lives are at risk, it must be the lives of the salespersons who sell all the other brands
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"Lives might be at risk"! That was a though one.
I am 100% sure that Verado came out stronger than ever due to my posts. A lot of people here on rib.net are going to by an engine sooner or later. They do not know what to by, when I started to post extremely negative, made a lot of investigation, and then posted that I for sure will by Verado, there is no doubt in my mind that it might convinse potential byers.
Our company break almost everything in our boats including the boat, so when we say that we go for something, I think it counts. And if any lives are at risk, it must be the lives of the salespersons who sell all the other brands
Hey Fjordrafting, that was not aimed at you. I found this thread very interesting and helpful, as I too am thinking of buying a Verado. I'm glad we had some positive responses. I was pointing out to an earlier poster who speculated that new engines had "teething problems" thus giving some credibility to this untrue story about the alleged massive unreliability of Verados in Sweden...

Good job...
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