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Old 03 March 2014, 04:21   #1
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e-tec with reduced power

I have a 2007 etec 175 and last season after say 5 minutes of idling or slow speed I would get the check engine light on the tacho and reduced power. Knock it off and back on then a blast at higher revs and all was fine. I changed the impellor as I thought this could be the cause as it was over heating and the last run of the season all was fine - but I didn't do much slow speed work.

Over winter I have removed the old tacho and installed a N2k network and now have the information on my HDS units.

At the weekend I got her back out of storage and ran her up in a tank - after 5 minutes of idle I got alarms - Low Voltage, Reduced Power, Check Engine.

The voltage on the HDS shows 12V when ticking over, and goes up to 14 when revving.

Any idea's - I am thinking battery's as they are an unknown age - 2007 perhaps if not older? I hope its not the EMM....

I had the stereo on all weekend while working and I didn't see a drop in voltage - but perhaps the battery's don't have the grunt any more?

I also had an issue with the trim on my last trip could this be linked as well- Evinrude e-tec issues...
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Old 03 March 2014, 06:38   #2
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Had a low voltage alarm on mine - turned out to be a few of the magnets on the inside of the flywheel had come off.

I also had an injector intermittently fail, which caused rough running and loss of power.

All sorted now so hopefully good for the new season.
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do you have no Evinrude tach any more ?
Only the HDS with NMEA2000 data from engine ?
You need minimum 1 instrument from Evinrude to show error messages.

I would suggest Evinrude Diag Software + calble and read the EMM, an error is stored there and you can easily see whats wrong.
If you do not have it or are not familiar with PCs, your dealer can read out EMM with EVDiag.

Inside your motor, on the EMM are 4 red lights, burning and blinking of these lights in specific order also can give you some hints about an error and which one occured.
http://www.etecownersgroup.com/post/...system-5169120


PS: I had the same error on an Lowrance with NMEA2000 - Low Voltage, Reduced Power, Check Engine message, and it was an overheat warning in reality.
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do you have no Evinrude tach any more ?
Only the HDS with NMEA2000 data from engine ?
You need minimum 1 instrument from Evinrude to show error messages.
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Hi Ferdi, I have done plenty of research and everything pointed to just using N2K? My old gauges were faulty so rather than replace them with old I have gone down the HDS route, and eventually want to add an ICommand gauge.

I have EVDiag - but haven't connected it up this weekend as I didn't have it on me, I have these historical faults...

88 | 1 | 158 | Exhaust Pressure BELOW Expected Range
61 | 4 | 210 | Fuel Injector Circuit #1 SHORTED
17 | 8 | 435 | 55 Volt Circuit BELOW Range
97 | 2 | 424 | Intermittent Switched (B+) Detected
25 | 2 | 436 | EMM Temperature ABOVE Range
11 | 3 | 460 | Throttle Position Sensor (TPS) Out Of Idle Range
21 | 2 | 460 | Winterization Activated


I replaced the impellor at 436 and its been fine for the other 30 hours..

I see the 55 Volt Circuit BELOW Range but haven't been able to resolve that - could that be the cause?

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If you don't mind me asking - how much was this fix?

Did you have to replace the flywheel and stator?
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Steve,

NMEA2000 data from engine are fine, but you will need minimum 1 extra gauge from Evinrude, eg. System Check tach oder an iCommand one.
Even Lowrance 400 gauge is the same as an iCommand one, they differ in internal SW.
Lowrance one does not show all errors when they occur.

There are many reasons for safe mode, yes, could be low voltage of inner circle, but also could be TPS out of range, overheating .... and other reasons.
Without diag -read you will never know or be sure.
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If you don't mind me asking - how much was this fix?

Did you have to replace the flywheel and stator?
Flywheel was shot. Stator was ok, but I did replace it anyway. Can't remember how much it all was - blank that stuff from my mind. Will have a look tonight. Didn't take long, but you need a gizmo to undo the flywheel and tighten it up again.
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Aries - Cheers, Did you do the fix yourself then I take it? Who supplied the parts? If you could PM me a rough estimate of cost that would be brill - depending on the cost it will push me over the edge, or stop me from crying.

Ferdi - I am confused why and this is the first I have seen this - on every forum I cant seem to see this? My HDS gave more information when the alarm happened that my old tacho ever did. I do plan to add a ICommand when money is available.

isn't my TPS out of range because of starting with the throttle full ahead to start winterisation.. When running and the alarm occurred the engine temp was about 60degress according to the HDS.

I take on what you say about not having the diag -read - but the symptoms are identical to before - when I assumed it was overheat, and I actually did have an over heat.

I will connect it to ev-diag tonight but I am sure it will be the same 55 Volt Circuit BELOW Range
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Call Paul at South Coast Outboards - 01202 496630

I'm sure he wouldn't mind you calling him to explain your symptoms (even though you are miles away). He knew what was up with mine straight away - and I'm pretty sure when he plugged the diagnostic in, it was obvious the voltage generation was way down.

I'm no engineer, so apologies if I'm talking crap - but he is, so better chatting to him.
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