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Old 17 October 2011, 17:16   #11
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and at what cost, good old rya have done it again, how can they be so arrogant to think the world revolves round them
biff, I'm not sure what you mean here - it's clear there was room for the RYA to make their commercial endorsement process more robust, which is what they've done - it defends their brand, yes, but more importantly helps raise awareness of skippers who have qualified by progressing through the RYA Schemes.

As for cost, I don't know how much the PPR will be, but it's going to be delivered online, and the RYA information states:

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We will keep the cost of the course as reasonable as possible so that it doesn’t become too much of a barrier for applicants.
I'm not sure how this could be any different?
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Old 17 October 2011, 17:30   #12
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Doug, I understand the logic. I think the discrepancy is that I don't think it will actually really aid comprehension - simply force people to quickly learn a bunch of facts (or have a set of summary notes next to them) when they sit the test, much like the CEVNI test. Whilst some will take it seriously those are the people who would have bothered to find out the rules and responsibilities anyway - the ones who are disinterested will have forgotten the facts within a few weeks/months of sitting the test and carry on regardless. And, currently, they won't need to retake the test so as rules change and evolve they may end up out of date.

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The number of CoC holders who are unaware what their certificate actually allows them to do and not do is testament to the problem and proven by many of the questions that get asked on this forum.
and do you think that will change?

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Yes you could cheat and get an "expert" to take the test for you but that's not going to help you much when you later find yourself in court because you were unaware of your responsibilities.
ending up in court is apparently not an incentive for people to bother to find out the facts for themselves in the current system.

I can see there is a problem (and many APB Instructors don't seem to know the rules properly), I'm just not convinced that e-learning is likely to prove comprehension. Of course since the bank of instructors aren't in a position to fill the gap without significant training themselves - the RYA may not be the best places organisation to deliver the training. After all most training school boats are largely exempt from the rules they would be teaching!
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so they are going to do it online, what stops joe bloggs getting dag pike to do it for him, it just a money gathering exercise just like splitting the exams into modules just like not excepting the ML5 medical for racing, so i can drive a ferry full of people with an ML5 but can't drive a race boat, just like telling alan priddy he needs a race licence and so do all his passengers to go round the world in a boat, no other boats are going with him so who's he racing, he's done more sea miles than every worker in the rya put together, is any of this starting to get though, THEY ARE JUST IN IT FOR THE MONEY!
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Back peddle time I've just sent a PM to Jimbo saying I was pleased the RYA was doing something but didn't realise it was on line. So....... sorry Jimbo about that last PM but I t my opinion has changed

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On line is a stoopid idea, and you are absolutely correct. I really believe that the RYA needs to do something about the situation, and am pleased that they are, but on line won't do it at all. its got to be an exam and the examiner has got to have the relevant commercial experience. and your'e right you could get a swot too bone up on the subject and do the test for you or get themselves the ticket with no real practical experience

What makes you think they are in it for the money they sem a benevolent association to me.

I'm saving up to buy an RYA logoed Instructor Fleece
from the RYA store and that looks like a good deal to me BTW If you are looking for a new Volvo I know the RYA you can get a cute deal for their members.
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Old 17 October 2011, 19:19   #15
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With a Powerboat Level 2 you will be restricted to MCA Category 6 which covers to sea within 3 miles from a nominated departure point(s) named in the vesels certificate and never more than 3 miles from land, in favourable weather and daylight.

You can check whether the area of operation is at "sea" by checking out Categorisation of waters MSN 1776 (M) produced by the MCA

Are you saying that A mothership can't be a nominated departure point or am I reading this wrong?

As I made no mention of a mothership I am a bit confused as to your point.
The restrictions stated in relation to Category 6 are as stated in The Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) Codes of Practice for Small Commercial Vessels (SCV) MGN 280
you'd be on the wrong thread I suspect theres been a bit of Moderation going on !
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After all most training school boats are largely exempt from the rules they would be teaching!
Intersting at my examiners update this was mentioned about having to have your boats coded to meet legal requirements .
Also about seats for all clients in future and not sat on the side.

I for one am in favour of the new PPR it will make the comercial endorsement more valid costings mentioned are around the £30 mark so not expensive.
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Have all the boats coded. That's rich considering the rya hasn't got a coded boat of there own and they must upwards of a 100 boats and I'm not just talking ribs

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Your right Biff, I cant see the RYA insisting on having coded boats for their training schools as they have exemptions at the moment as I understand it. A few schools have coded their RIBs and Yachts so they can charter them as well. But the release date being early 2012- I cant see the RYA making that requirement for their schools even if you just consider the Olympics are that year.
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What grips me is that you pay through the nose for all your courses then they want you to volunteer to do their work. I coded my rib to do their work then they said I had to use a protector. Didn't do one event with mine. Coded for nothing

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Intersting at my examiners update this was mentioned about having to have your boats coded to meet legal requirements .
Also about seats for all clients in future and not sat on the side.

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Thats certainly a good thing
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