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Old 11 January 2008, 05:40   #11
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A lot of these Euro problems are being addressed in the new Boatmasters Certificate, however some of the major players in the tug world are not very happy about this and think that it will now all be to easy to get a licence for the big (25t + bollard pull) tugs and want some form of restricition put on them.
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What specifically is being proposed, that is fundamentally different to the current ones?

How will they become 'acceptable' in Europe & how far off will any changes be?

Also, these are restricted to 3 miles out from a safe haven, so vessels arriving and departing various waters, when more than 3 miles off, will come under a different manning qualification requirement for these bits presumably.
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Old 11 January 2008, 08:41   #12
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What specifically is being proposed, that is fundamentally different to the current ones?

How will they become 'acceptable' in Europe & how far off will any changes be?

Also, these are restricted to 3 miles out from a safe haven, so vessels arriving and departing various waters, when more than 3 miles off, will come under a different manning qualification requirement for these bits presumably.
Do a search on the MCGA website for Boatmasters and you will see. A lot of changes if you do not already hold a Boatmasters, more of a progressive learning rather really just a test with different sectors.
AFAIK the changes have happened in November to allow Europe to have acomlete harmonised certification for inshore <3 miles operation and Catergorised waters. Do not get confused with the Boatmasters and the RYA type certificates whiah again some EU member will not accept unless they are to STCW standards.
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Old 06 April 2008, 19:55   #13
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I know this thread is very old.
Speaking from past experience and being stuck in ireland for a while, Taking a UK coded work boat to Eire is an absolute minefield including having STCW skipper and crew. The main problems we incured were paper work, and basically the irish surveyors having no ability to interperate the rules sensibily.
They wouldn't recgonise the code of practice certificates and we weren't even wanting to take passengers to sea.
We had a Port State spin in Belfast first thing the guy said to me 'is this the boat that was in Dublin' I blamed the probs all on you
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Old 08 April 2008, 13:33   #14
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Do a search on the MCGA website for Boatmasters and you will see. A lot of changes if you do not already hold a Boatmasters, more of a progressive learning rather really just a test with different sectors.
AFAIK the changes have happened in November to allow Europe to have acomlete harmonised certification for inshore <3 miles operation and Catergorised waters. Do not get confused with the Boatmasters and the RYA type certificates whiah again some EU member will not accept unless they are to STCW standards.
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"Do not get confused with the Boatmasters and the RYA type certificates whiah again some EU member will not accept unless they are to STCW standards."

Andy, does the RYA Endorse STCW95 on their certificates these days then?

PS - This is a reply I got from the MCA recently, when asking about BML's & Europe

" 'BML Tier 1' as a stand alone certificate will not be recognised
in EU waterways . Further modules and requirements are to be satisfied
before obtaining a EU Boatmaster's certificate . For details,
you may refer to the 'Annex 4 ( page 19)' of the ' MSN 1808' .
However, the assessment system for some of these competence
requirements are yet to be established."

From that, I read that they still do not know what is happening, even though BML/Cardiff have told me that they (Tier 1, level 2) are available.
I currently have a BML Grade 1, which upon renewal, will be Tier 2 under the new system & Cardiff suggested that I look at Tier 1 before renewal. However, still mystified how this works.
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Andy, does the RYA Endorse STCW95 on their certificates these days then?
Yes you can get RYA Yachmaster changed to STCW type by completing some additional STCW courses.
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