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Old 13 February 2006, 13:11   #11
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we will pay you 200 inc vat finders fee for every boat you fetch to us and we agree to place on brokerage .

and we will pay you between a minimum of 500 to a maximum of a 1000 inc vat for evey ballistic we sell as a result of you sending us the potential buyer .

two people on here ernet a very nice boating fund last year

by the way that offers open to anyone

you can start tomorow if you want
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Old 13 February 2006, 15:49   #12
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Stu,

You make good points.

But "Avon, Delta, Halmatic, Humber" and "Ocean Dynmamics" are primarily selling to the commercial market - am I right? Ribcraft do both, but they are miles away from the Solent which is my preferred area for work.


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it's 60/40 Bruce Avon adventurers are very popular first time boats, Humber make plenty of leisure craft.

What's the location of the manufacturing plant got to do with your plans, I thought you wanted to flog em not build em!. As a point of interest I understand the heart of UK boating manufacturing is mostly in the Midlands
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Old 13 February 2006, 15:53   #13
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it's 60/40 Bruce Avon adventurers are very popular first time boats, Humber make plenty of leisure craft.

What's the location of the manufacturing plant got to do with your plans, I thought you wanted to flog em not build em!. As a point of interest I understand the heart of UK boating manufacturing is mostly in the Midlands

Good point made here.
The end user in the marketplace you are targetting will be more interested in showrooms/marinas than factories.
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Old 14 February 2006, 07:06   #14
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rogue wave: Yeah, but... the issue is to find a manufacturer who will gear up. I suspect to create a 'standard' product will involve quite a lot of work, possibly even investment or funds raising for that company. I am interested in a new product line, and selling 10s not ones of that product line. And there are issues as to whether the sales go through dealers (unlikely, given my model) or from the factory or perhaps a new specialised outlet just flogging and supporting the unwashed buyer. I sort of suspect it would be easier with a local builder, but I am not averse to exploration with anyone.
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Old 14 February 2006, 08:22   #15
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Bruce,

do i take it you are interested in starting a dealership? will you have a showroom? if you want, give me a ring with your ideas. my contact details are on my websites. http://www.leewayribs.co.uk and/or http://www.leewaycomposites.co.uk
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Old 15 February 2006, 18:28   #16
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It is my understanding that these boys have spare manufacturing capacity and it certainly is a beutiful boat

Any Ideas on this?
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Bruce, can you not start up an Agency for all of the above Manufacturers. Not a broker service, but approach the manufacturers, ask for a commission percentage of each sale and a bonus if you reach a target and then get out there and do your stuff. That way you choose which market to advertise to, there's a low risk for the RIB builders out there and hopefully its smiles all round.

This is how it would go! You could approach a lifesyle mag with a concept, they feature it along with you agency name as contact. You and your team then decide when the phone calls and e-mails start comming in what requirements the customer needs and wants ie: Pots of money=Scorpion, wideboy=Apex. If you get my drift.
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Old 23 February 2006, 11:12   #18
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Things have progressed on the project since I startewd the thread. I am talking to a number of interested people. The idea taking shape is as follows, and thanks to you all, and to Hightower recently, for firing off the ideas!

I am looking not to have a showroom or anything flash, but to hold three demonstrators of three different standard build RIBS aimed at slightly different markets, all hardstanding in Lymington. I will produce, with help from friends, some really high quality stills and video of the boats in action. I have already tested the market for the non-boating press to produce advertorial based on their reporter / photgrapher being taken out and scared shitless for an afternoon. Reactions very, very positive.

Emphasis is on real turn-key. The buyer will purchase one clean package, with embedded pre-arranged marine finance subject to status. The package will comprise rib on trailer, standard colour (no decision to make) rigged engine (four stroke, no cjoice, no decisions to make), four life jackets, basic tools, basic safety pack (flares, first aid, horseshoes, MOB ladder), standard elctronics (combo fishfinder / plotter) pre-selected and installed, DSC radio, console and seat covers, trailer clamp, ropes, anchor etc etc. We will have a deal with a local chandlery to provide an appropriate clothing package, and the package price will include 2 PBII courses and one VHF course based on deal with a local school. There will also be a deal with a Southampton based boat yard for storage / support.

The message is that you, 40+ affluent bloke with wife and two teenagers, can simply acquire and own an amazing yet safe boat for an outlay of 10,000 cash down, and a monthly tariff of an estimated 1,000 all in (including financing repayments and interest, insurance, hard standing storage costs, launching and fuel), you can have a safe and fun boat expereince.

Or if you want an even better expereince, it will cost you 15,000 down and 1,500 per month.

Any thoughts? Have I gone mad?
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wow tooo expensive for a boat without much choice

who is going to pay 1k or 1.5k per month? and for how long?

i would have thought that you will get some folks interested and then after some investigation they will go off for a package that is more tailored to their desires.

if you want to hit the mass market i think it needs to be priced so it is cheaper to open up your potential market, especially as you are proposing limited choices

just my view for what its worth......
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Things have progressed on the project since I startewd the thread. I am talking to a number of interested people. The idea taking shape is as follows, and thanks to you all, and to Hightower recently, for firing off the ideas!

I am looking not to have a showroom or anything flash, but to hold three demonstrators of three different standard build RIBS aimed at slightly different markets, all hardstanding in Lymington. I will produce, with help from friends, some really high quality stills and video of the boats in action. I have already tested the market for the non-boating press to produce advertorial based on their reporter / photgrapher being taken out and scared shitless for an afternoon. Reactions very, very positive.

Emphasis is on real turn-key. The buyer will purchase one clean package, with embedded pre-arranged marine finance subject to status. The package will comprise rib on trailer, standard colour (no decision to make) rigged engine (four stroke, no cjoice, no decisions to make), four life jackets, basic tools, basic safety pack (flares, first aid, horseshoes, MOB ladder), standard elctronics (combo fishfinder / plotter) pre-selected and installed, DSC radio, console and seat covers, trailer clamp, ropes, anchor etc etc. We will have a deal with a local chandlery to provide an appropriate clothing package, and the package price will include 2 PBII courses and one VHF course based on deal with a local school. There will also be a deal with a Southampton based boat yard for storage / support.

The message is that you, 40+ affluent bloke with wife and two teenagers, can simply acquire and own an amazing yet safe boat for an outlay of 10,000 cash down, and a monthly tariff of an estimated 1,000 all in (including financing repayments and interest, insurance, hard standing storage costs, launching and fuel), you can have a safe and fun boat expereince.

Or if you want an even better expereince, it will cost you 15,000 down and 1,500 per month.

Any thoughts? Have I gone mad?
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Old 23 February 2006, 15:39   #20
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Things have progressed on the project since I startewd the thread. I am talking to a number of interested people. The idea taking shape is as follows, and thanks to you all, and to Hightower recently, for firing off the ideas!

I am looking not to have a showroom or anything flash, but to hold three demonstrators of three different standard build RIBS aimed at slightly different markets, all hardstanding in Lymington. I will produce, with help from friends, some really high quality stills and video of the boats in action. I have already tested the market for the non-boating press to produce advertorial based on their reporter / photgrapher being taken out and scared shitless for an afternoon. Reactions very, very positive.

Emphasis is on real turn-key. The buyer will purchase one clean package, with embedded pre-arranged marine finance subject to status. The package will comprise rib on trailer, standard colour (no decision to make) rigged engine (four stroke, no cjoice, no decisions to make), four life jackets, basic tools, basic safety pack (flares, first aid, horseshoes, MOB ladder), standard elctronics (combo fishfinder / plotter) pre-selected and installed, DSC radio, console and seat covers, trailer clamp, ropes, anchor etc etc. We will have a deal with a local chandlery to provide an appropriate clothing package, and the package price will include 2 PBII courses and one VHF course based on deal with a local school. There will also be a deal with a Southampton based boat yard for storage / support.

The message is that you, 40+ affluent bloke with wife and two teenagers, can simply acquire and own an amazing yet safe boat for an outlay of 10,000 cash down, and a monthly tariff of an estimated 1,000 all in (including financing repayments and interest, insurance, hard standing storage costs, launching and fuel), you can have a safe and fun boat expereince.

Or if you want an even better expereince, it will cost you 15,000 down and 1,500 per month.

Any thoughts? Have I gone mad?
There's no real USP here and I dont think the numbers stack up...type in the figures above to http://www.bankofscotland.co.uk/cgi-...c-backwards.pl
and you'll find that over 120 months that 10k down 1k pcm equates to 96,000 purchasing power and 60 months 60,000! I would be surprised if the type of person with that kind of disposable income didnt just do some research on the net, visit a few dealers, test a few boats and buy a custom built rib at lets say 35000, pay 250 for some training at their nearest provider, another 500 quid for insurance and cough up a couple of grand a year for a marina berth of their choice. Case in point might be Magnum on this forum..

In terms of USPs - what does this service offer anybody other than those who cant be arsed to carry out a bit of research or those who happen to want one of three styles of ribs, kept at your particular yard, with your choice of training location, with your idea of what should be carried on board?

With a car analogy, at the 35k mark, you're looking at say a BMW 5 Series or Merc E Class. Would your average personal or fleet purchaser still opt for one if it only came in one colour, with a 2 ltre petrol engine, a minidisc player, grey leather and you had to insure it with the AA?

At the lower end of the market this might be okay, offering a cheap and cheerful "one design" type rib, but I cant see it working with those kind of numbers involved.

Just my humble opinion and I'd love to be proved wrong and maybe those in the trade might have a better feel for it...
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