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Old 20 November 2007, 04:07   #11
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Jon, thats what I thought too, until I saw that the latest MCA "open" ribs had gained CAT 3. I think they claim that there crews always have drysuits on - but I think thats bending the rules a little to far.

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I totally agree Pete, bend it any further and it might break

That is all well and good for the crew but what happens if they get tasked to help with a rescue at night and have to collect people?

Just a thought are they Cat 3 under the Work Boat Code?
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Old 20 November 2007, 07:09   #12
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That is all well and good for the crew but what happens if they get tasked to help with a rescue at night and have to collect people? Just a thought are they Cat 3 under the Work Boat Code?
Different branch of the MCA, probably not qualified to save life or lift people out of the water phone the RNLI for that. Blue lights just there for inforcement, or if they go into Cowes like some local ribs.

http://www.marinelink.com/Story/RIB+Report-9806.html

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Old 20 November 2007, 07:13   #13
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Duncan, you have used the word "should" which implies nice to have, do the rules say "shall" which implies must have.

(Before I nip down the chandlers to find a self releasing widget for the new canister liferaft located on the A Frame).

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Cat 3 is possible for open boats provided certain limitations are stated on the cert, have never done it myself but Im pretty sure some forum members have, Im sure somone can clarify what the limitations would be
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Hi Doug,

When I coded mine earlier this year the only way to get Cat 3 would have been if I had a cabin.
The rules changed recently so I am lead to understand.
There are a number of Ribs that are Cat 3 but were done prior to the changes.

The big change is this issue regarding the fact that there must be shelter for all on board and not just the crew when operating at night.
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Old 20 November 2007, 13:12   #16
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I have also been told we can get a restricted Cat 3 without a cabin up to three miles at night and then 20 for daylight. I hope this is the case as that is where my latest RIB is being worked towards
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Duncan, you have used the word "should" which implies nice to have, do the rules say "shall" which implies must have.

(Before I nip down the chandlers to find a self releasing widget for the new canister liferaft located on the A Frame).

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Should / shall - you should have been a lawyer Pete!

The raft must be secure - ie not move around or bounce out of the boat. It must also be easily deployable including in the event that crew are injured.

Open top cradles have been accepted on some boats as long as they are deep enough for the raft not to move around.

The rules state hydrostatic release required. "Alternative Provisions" are permissible but I will only accept these once I have seen the boat and the operator and discussed the proposal.

CAT 3 RIBs are a minefield. The operator can request a restricted Category 3 coding from the Certifying Authority who then apply to the MCA on their behalf on a case by case basis. They are in no way guaranteed to get it.

I have lost business to other surveyors when stating that CAT 3 is not possible on an open boat.

Perhaps some Certifying Authorities have been less diligent than others when allowing CAT3................
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I have also been told we can get a restricted Cat 3 without a cabin up to three miles at night and then 20 for daylight. I hope this is the case as that is where my latest RIB is being worked towards

Is that 3 miles from safe haven or from your home port?

Who are you using to code your boat?

I did mine with the RYA and it was made clear that I could not get Cat 3 due to shelter requirement.

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Jon, I can understand why your a little miffed, perhaps you should send a freedom of information request into the MCA asking how many open ribs have a Cat 3 coding

Hopefully they would also list there own ribs.

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