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Old 07 February 2006, 06:21   #1
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If I can ever sell my hard boat I propose buying a RIB either already coded or will get it coded for at least area 4 use.

We are moving to Brittany in April & as a way of earning a little additional income am looking at boat trips or charter use for it.

I have an Advanced Powerboat certificate with commercial endorsement.

My reading of the MCA & RYA rules seem to say that the coding & commercial endorsement are recognised throughout Europe, but somehow don't think it is as easy as that.

Anyone got any idea what else I may need to do ?
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Old 07 February 2006, 06:31   #2
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I would have a chat with the local authorities and see if you need to do any conversion courses. As you will be operating I assume a French registered vessel in French territorial waters . Also insurance would have to be French i guess to cover national requirements .

I am only guessing all this but a chat in the first place could prove useful before spending cash on coding your boat
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Old 07 February 2006, 06:42   #3
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I would have a chat with the local authorities
Therein is part of the problem, neither I nor French friends can find out who to talk to for off-shore use. The local authorities are only interested in 'Round the harbour' type of trips.
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As you will be operating I assume a French registered vessel in French territorial waters
No, it will be UK registered. The pain of getting a boat coded to the French spec is more than I could bear.
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Yes, but that doesn't seem to be a problem.
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Old 07 February 2006, 06:47   #4
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Hmm Ministry of Tourism ???

Or ask the MCA for the address of their French counterparts .
Good luck with it and keep us posted
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Old 07 February 2006, 07:25   #5
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If it helps I have a friend who does alot of boat surveying in france and spain. If you PM me your details I can ask him to get in touch with you.
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The MCA coding is also classed as a loadline exemption certificate that allows commercial vessels under 25m to work anywhere, with in the licence definied limits, in the EU so long as the vessel is UK registered.
I'm not to sure how you would insure it though as I'd assume the french Insurance company would stipulate the the vessel complied with French rules.
It may be worth speaking to your insurance broker first to see if you can insure it in the UK for operating in France and then go from there.
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Old 07 February 2006, 08:45   #7
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Andy,

Thanks for the confirmation.

I have spoken to a French insurance broker who claims insurance will not be a problem, expensive, but not a problem.
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Give me a call and I will point you int right direction!

All the info you need is in Brixham!!!
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Old 10 February 2006, 05:30   #9
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I found an EU enquiry web site Signpost services which mostly answered my question, but their reply also contained some general information that others might find useful:

Dear Mr Thompson
Thank you for your inquiry.

Unlike for vehicle driving licences, there are no EU rules that provide for mutual recognition of navigation certificates. We cannot therefore provide you detailed advice on the formalities involved. However, we can provide you with the following general advice.

Since your Advanced Powerboat certificate is unlikely to be fully recognised in France, you will need to obtain an International Certificate of Competence before you leave. You can find out more details on how to obtain one by calling the RYA on 0845 345 0370 or browsing the RYA’s website: http://www.rya.org.uk/Cruising/faqs....tegory=1020414

You will also need to ensure you have the following documents with you when you sail to France:
• Registration Document (SSR / Part 1);
• Ship’s Radio Licence;
• Proof of insurance (& translation if required);
• Proof that VAT has been paid;
• Proof that your vessel complies with the EU Recreational Craft Directive (RCD);
• VHF Operators Licence.

You will also need to comply with certain formalities if you want to operate your vessel for commercial gain.

Firstly, you need to register your vessel with the port authorities of the port where your vessel will moor in Brittany.

Secondly you need to register with the commercial vessels with the French office of Maritime Affairs (Affaires maritimes).

Thirdly, you will need to obtain a commercial permit from the French customs office of the port where your vessel is registered.

Finally, if you wish to fly the French flag, you will need to re-register your vessel in France.

The French customs can be contacted on 00 33 (0)820 02 44 44 or by email on ids@douane.finances.gouv.fr and have a website where you can find out more information (only available in French): French Customs

The French office of maritime affairs can be contacted by email on france-ocean@equipement.gouv.fr also have a website (only available in French): The French office of maritime affairs

We hope this answers your inquiry.
Yours sincerely,
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Hi Nick

Did my surveyor friend get in touch with you.

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