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Old 27 October 2005, 12:20   #41
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Mmm... just had a quick "nose" and discover that quite a few Police "units" have been isued with .223 AUGs...... shit! That's really gonna sting if it goes wrong I understand if you're facing a villain wearing a vest it's much better to give him a smack with a .223 rather than a tickle with a 9 mill.. but jeez..... through and throughs?..
Exactly - worrying or not???

I was talking to a really nice copper the other day on this very matter - he was about 30ish and had been a copper in the roughest part of Swansea for about 10 years - he said in all that time he had never even used his truncheon in anger and yet they are kitted out like stormtroopers now.

I just isn't wanted needed or justified!!!
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The more I look at that picture of the Officer in Bristol the more convinced I am that that's a 9 mm...


<edit>...Yup.. That particular one is defo a 9 mill .. it has the magazine insert that the .223's dont... but here is a pic of an officer with a .223...
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Old 27 October 2005, 12:33   #43
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..and just 'cause I agree with you on type of Firearm.. doesn't mean I've forgotten your crass comment about SS camp guards....
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Still can't tell - the shot of the mag is just on the edge - anyway as you pointed out - they HAVE been issuing the bloody things!!!

Hope your house walls are nice and thick - oops forgot - windows!!!
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..and just 'cause I agree with you on type of Firearm.. doesn't mean I've forgotten your crass comment about SS camp guards....
The reason why I said that was to illustrate how blindly following one's duty isn't ALWAYS right.

How would you feel if it was a member of YOUR family who was shot dead in such circumstances and the people responsible got off scott free because "we were just doing our job"???

It is a very worrying trend these days - if people screw up it is NEVER their fault - it is the procedures or the system or lack of training etc etc. At the end of the day they are still PEOPLE and if they drop a bollock they should pay for it!!!
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Still can't tell - the shot of the mag is just on the edge - anyway as you pointed out - they HAVE been issuing the bloody things!!!

Hope your house walls are nice and thick - oops forgot - windows!!!
£20 says 9mm....

...and you're still a complete tosser for comparing the actions of two armed Police Officers with SS concentration camp guards......
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£20 says 9mm....

...and you're still a complete tosser for comparing the actions of two armed Police Officers with SS concentration camp guards......
I didn't compare their actions!!! I compared their excuses!!!

Maybe it is the fault of the media for making people think that there are guns where ever we turn - a few years ago if the Police had a report about someone carrying a gun they would tend to treat it with scepticism - now they act the complete opposite.

Here is an example of the way things are going

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/17102005/14...-struggle.html

A 13 yr old boy was arrested for shooting a bb gun in a classroom.

"An Avon and Somerset Police spokeswoman said: "Police are reminding people they are not allowed to carry any firearm or imitation firearm in a public place without authority and they maybe arrested and charged if they do so."

We were always pulling stunts like this in class - we would usually end up with the bb gun being taken off us and a bollocking off the headmaster!!!
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Agree with the Codmeister here - many WWII war crimes were committed by people following orders, and indeed several subsequent acts of officially sancioned barbarism follow the same pattern. Psychologically the individual (in uniform) is excused personal responsibility for their actions when those actions are sanctioned by authority. More problematic is the militarising of the police as referred to in this thread. Plod are rarely the sharpest tools in the box, and giving them bangsticks is just plain irresponsible.

When was the last time an armed felon was subdued by an armed policeman? Buggered if I know - however unauthorised shootings of unarmed civilians do rather seem to be all too common.

Bogeyman myths of "The War On Terror" are just tools of mass manipulation - I really think Little Texas is well on the way to becoming a police state...
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.... Plod are rarely the sharpest tools in the box....
Whereas you, with your intelligent, well thought out response backed up by evidence such as "buggered if I know”, but I'll comment anyway...have proven yourself to be an intellectual giant.
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Whereas you, with your intelligent, well thought out response backed up by evidence such as "buggered if I know”, but I'll comment anyway...have proven yourself to be an intellectual giant.
Jono - someone should have told you the old adage about keeping silent and being thought a fool being better than speaking out and removing all doubt.

I was being ironic. I'll explain that in a pm if you like...
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