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Old 14 March 2006, 16:02   #51
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Aahhh! So that's why the coppers patrol Tesco's with guns!

Anyone fancy a sponsored "Have A Go At Codders With A Knife" event? He sounds up for it!!
Too right - I always carry a chainsaw in the boot!!!
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Old 14 March 2006, 16:14   #52
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the Yanks have a better angle on life than us.

Wish i could carry a gun. Might get rid of a few Chavs.
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Old 14 March 2006, 16:38   #53
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Yes, but what it does show is that the 97 ban had no effect other than to stop a group of generally law abiding people having their fun
didn't claim it did. I just contested codprawn's assertion that guncrime had increased since the 1997 ban.

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well from a cursory glance at the statistics actually they are not! Murder (total) and suicide rates are lower here too! Perhaps because more likely to be successful if you use a gun?
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didn't claim it did. I just contested codprawn's assertion that guncrime had increased since the 1997 ban.



well from a cursory glance at the statistics actually they are not! Murder (total) and suicide rates are lower here too! Perhaps because more likely to be successful if you use a gun?
I agree the figures don't really show much of a change. What doesn't help is the total hystrical over reaction to the sight of anything that looks like a gun.

I mean if I see a kid with a gun I think - ah look at that little kid with a waterpistol. There have been loads of incidents of people calling the police - they then treat it like a proper firearms incident.

If you look at how many REAL guns are used thankfully the figures are still tiny.

So WHY do we need police wandering our streets with guns? Tony Blair has got a hell of a lot to answer for!!!
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Old 14 March 2006, 18:23   #55
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I agree with Codprawn
My dad taught me tyo use a gun safely a a kid , when My mates had air rifles and behaved badly with them I had the common sense to keep away from them .

Those gun nuts probably consider a 200 hp rib exessive .

If you are worried by guns , just think how the person feels in a kayak or small dingy when we go blasting past in a fast boat . I have been there and believe me is feckin scary .
There is plenty of boy racers with fast speed boats and jetskis evrywhere and they often have accidents , no training or licence required .

Passed the tamar river police boat at weekend , armed policeman standing on stern with assault rifle watching me carefully as I passed the Dockyard .

I can think of a reason for that machine gun , Cornish Holiday Town seagulls
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See what I mean about guns getting everywhere? Even when the IRA were at their peak it wasn't like this!!!

The IRA were the most proffesional terrorist organisation the world has ever seen - the people who do it in the NAME of Al Queda are not organised at all - they even had to use crude home made explosives that are totally unstable.
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i was trained by the professionals!

guns get to be a pain in the butt when you have to go everywhere with em and sleep with em as well

is amazing how unreliable they get when a little bit of dirt gets inside the mechanisms

quite scarey really, would hate to have to rely on one for my life as you are never really sure if it will work when needed to in my experience..

roll around in the dirt and drag it thru mud and water then try to use it
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Old 14 March 2006, 20:50   #58
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Re: guns, reliability, carrying, ownership

Carrying a firearm is not a easy thing. I have a license to carry a concealed weapon, loaded. It is not a responsibility to be taken lightly. I have a license because I support the law, concealed carry licenses are available to U.S. citizens in almost every state, provided you pass your training course and background check. Statistically, crime has decreased in every state a concealed carry law has been passed. Armed citizens are NOT running around shooting one another. The last thing a law abiding citizen wants to do is shoot another person. It is a weapon of last resort. It has however, put the fear of god into those who would break the law. Now the good guys are armed! A criminal is more likely to commit crimes or hurt someone if there is little risk to him. The tables have turned.

My experience with most modern arms is that they are quite reliable, revolvers made by Colt, Smith and Wesson and Ruger have little to no chance of malfunction given normal maintenance and good ammunition. My personal preference in semi-autos are guns manufactured by Walther, HK, Sigarms and Glock, you have got to give it to the Huns, they manufacture superb weapons
and are extremely reliable. These are great pistols.

Given Britain's legendary history of fine Gunmaking it is particularly shameful what has happened to the citizen's right of ownership. Gun ownership is definitely a hot button topic, but I can tell you one thing, it will deter crime, over here you don't actually even need to own one, just plant the seed of doubt, put a sticker on your doors that says "the owner of this house is armed and dangerous, there is nothing inside worth dying for". I will guarantee any scumbag who reads it will go elsewhere.

One final comment... from the threads on this forum it seems as if there is a higher theft rate in the U.K., pictures of boats on trailers with wheel locks, one guy commenting someone cut his motor off the transom of his boat, what is your crime late like over there? Maybe I am wrong in thinking so, please comment.
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[QUOTE=Jono] Happened already.... Circa '94... Firearms officer shot with his own (revolver in those days) weapon... mind you.. it was in the mess room at the station... by another officer...by accident.... .Tsk, tsk.... all recounted to me by another officer who was present at the time... I don't believe it made the papers... [/Q

Jono is this the accident that happened at the City of London police headquarters not the MET. were an officer was unloading his weapon after finishing his shift and had a negligent discharge which ricocheted around the room and hit a fellow officer??
Or is that a separate incident ?
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One mans waste of time is another mans hobby!

Do we really need to waste fuel and polute the atmosphere on totally pointless trips around the solent?

If people want to play with guns, let them.

One of my other hobbies is Airsoft, we're looking a ban in the face due to chavs using cheap replicas, typical Blair policy of banning eveything!

If you beat someone with a cricket bat, you going to ban them? How about bricks? You can throw them, best ban them!

On our flight to Korea, my misses had her cuticle cutters taken off her, yet we were given a metal knife on the aircraft!

I hate this stupid planet!
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