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Old 04 September 2005, 17:27   #21
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Very brave of you-- but it wont save the world!!!!!!!!

Ok - we will put a 30 meter high turbine in your garden
Go down to a 1 liter LPG Kia Rio.- Probably the worse **************
Ensure that anybody driving a car greater than 1500 cc is severly ostracised
Walk a lot ( has two very positive attributes!)
Set up a local committee to have a better public transport system
Stop the airco
Buy a horse
Get rid of the local Walmart ( everything comes from China- so when buying there, you are incresaing demand for oil in that country
Close Macdos
Throw out the TV
Cut the electricity at 2100 hrs.
Stop the cental heating/ buy more blankets

Why the hell is it taking so long to get new forks for the bike......dont tell me --- i guessed it --- made in PRC

and SELL THE RIB!!!!!!

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Unfortanately, my garden's not big enough for that. There are plans for a wind farm in Cape Cod Bay, out of my line of sight, but I liked seeing the turbines while visiting Holland. Rather that, than living in the shadow of one of the 5 filthiest coal fire electrical stations, as I do now.

Not giving up our Saabs any time soon.

Ostracize people driving 1.5L+ cars? I try. SUV=Stupid Useless Vehicle in my view, unless you have to tow a substantial load. I drove to a school function (in the rain) for my daughter entering kindergarten. Parking lot ALL SUVs and minivans, with 2-3 station wagons (estates). My Saab convertible was the smallest car in the lot.

Public transport is actually pretty good around here, assuming you want to go to Boston, buses & rail. Just not widely used, except for commuting, as you can't easily go anywhere else.

I leave in a seaside community, usually a good breeze, so I keep turning off the A/C, though the 7 month pregnant woman I live with has ultimate authority on that decision! Only have 2 window units anyway.

Horse? Worse economics than driving an SUV!! Also, see garden size!

We've automated the thermostats for the central heat. Can't go too extreme on the electricity, as we need to keep my father-in-law employed. He manages wholesale electrical contracts for town run light departments, including ours!

Bike fork probably made in PRC, just shipping from NYC though!!
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Old 04 September 2005, 17:43   #22
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Wind turbines have to be the most inefficient - most expensive - most old fashioned way of generating power. They are a joke!!!

When you see statements like "enough power for x amount of homes" they always say - to "light" in the small print. A typical bulb these days uses about 20W - an electric kettle - 2.2kw - one hell of a difference!!!

Burning fossil fuels is not the answer - tidal power would make a hell of a difference but there IS one power source that would solve most of our problems and that is Nuclear.

Visit places like Trawsfynnydd in North Wales and you will find just how little impact it had on the landscape.

France is one of the few countries to meet the Kyoto accord - because something like 80% of their power comes from nuclear.

Yes Chernobyl was a major disaster - but then it was a bad design in a 3rd world country!!! More people died in London from smog caused by coal burning - they haven't banned that!!!

The "terrible" disaster at 3 mile Island that finished off the USA nuclear energy industry was responsible for 0 yes that is 0 deaths!!! Long term studies have shown that there were NO greater increases of cancers etc in the area.

I LOVE out beautiful countryside more than most - I would far rather see a few nuclear powerstations than ALL the hills and mountains covered in windturbines - along with the pylons and everything else.

Britain has very little countryside left - why destroy it on a whim???
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Old 04 September 2005, 18:53   #23
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Trawsfynydd has been out of commission for twelve years!
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Old 04 September 2005, 20:07   #24
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Trawsfynydd has been out of commission for twelve years!
Yes and you would never know it was there!!! Even when it WAS there it was very unobtrusive - no piles of coal and slag everywhere

Compare this

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...3Doff%26sa%3DN

With Drax - a big coal powerstation

http://www.munters.co.uk/www/Help.nsf/ByKey/ABRL-5JNDY9/$file/Drax%20Power%20Station%20Image%204.gif

or even this - a big windfarm

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...3Doff%26sa%3DN

Compared to the Nuclear plant the windfarm covers a FAR bigger area and only generates a miniscule amount of power!!!
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ok DC- you have passed the test...........


What about Michael Moore for president in 2008???
Codders agree on nuclear.

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I'm no expert on nuclear power, but two issues worry me, first, terrorism, and what they could cause if they so wished.

But more importantly, nuclear waste, WTF do we do with it? it seems to be a subject that gets swept under the table (like the N-Waste itself I expect)

It's lethal for decades, or more (don't know details) and if we go full nuclear, there'll be fkkn loads of it to deal with....nice
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Nuclear fusion is the answer.
http://www.focusfusion.org/energy1.html
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It's lethal for decades, or more (don't know details) and if we go full nuclear, there'll be fkkn loads of it to deal with....nice
Burying it all under Belgium is my favoured option...
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Burying it all under Belgium is my favoured option...
You could be right, specifically, just under Raffshore marine!

And keep a bit back for Malta

although Belgium is a little close for comfort.
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I'm no expert on nuclear power, but two issues worry me, first, terrorism, and what they could cause if they so wished.

But more importantly, nuclear waste, WTF do we do with it? it seems to be a subject that gets swept under the table (like the N-Waste itself I expect)

It's lethal for decades, or more (don't know details) and if we go full nuclear, there'll be fkkn loads of it to deal with....nice
Nuclear waste is NOT nice stuff - but then neither are a lot of other things. Belgium would be a great option but failling that just store the stuff until widespread Fusion power becomes available.

Terrorism would be a concern but then I reckon more people would die crashing a plane into Wembley stadium!!!

People seem to forget that the 2 cities that were taken out with nuclear bombs are once again thriving - of course according to some people the place wouldn't be inhabitable for 2000 years.....
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