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Old 22 May 2007, 12:36   #11
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Don't get me started on SORN. I'm currently in the process of telling DiVviLA to f*** off after they fined me for not renewing the SORN on one of the bikes. They 'claim' they sent out a reminder, so I've invited them to prove it.

I think I feel a freedom of information request coming on....
Thats what all these little Hitlers hate - somebody to stand up to them!!!
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Old 23 May 2007, 07:19   #12
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Thats what all these little Hitlers hate - somebody to stand up to them!!!
I don't suppose it will bother them in the slightest. Probably give them a bit of a laugh in the office to lighten up another tedious day.

Whether we like it or not, unless the law is changed, it is our responsibility to ensure that our vehicles are either taxed or have an in-date SORN. I suspect that whether or not a remider was sent will turn out to have no relevance whatsoever.

Irritating as it undoubtedly is, I have a feeling that Sixy is on a hiding to nothing with this one.

Thankfully it looks like they have dropped proposals to require all bikes to be road registered (complete with full size number plates, the works) whether or not they are ever used on the road. Would have made MotoGP rather interesting!

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John - I think I probably am on a hiding to nothing but I'm going to make their lives damn difficult in the process.

The trouble is in the UK that too many people just accept things. If more people stood up to unfair and unreasonable rules like SORN then maybe the gubbernment might think twice.
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John - I think I probably am on a hiding to nothing but I'm going to make their lives damn difficult in the process.

The trouble is in the UK that too many people just accept things. If more people stood up to unfair and unreasonable rules like SORN then maybe the gubbernment might think twice.
Hear hear!!!
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I'm actually at the point now where I think I will pay the fine. In pennies.
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If more people stood up to unfair and unreasonable rules like SORN then maybe the gubbernment might think twice.
SORN may be a bloody nuisance, but I don't agree that the principle is unreasonable.

Lots of people used to leave gaps in their road tax knowing they could string it out for a month or two between renewals and get away with it (effectively getting 13 or 14 months for the price of 12). To prevent this you are now required to notify them explicitly if you're not using the vehicle. Seems fair.

I agree that there's certainly an argument that yearly renewal of SORN shouldn't be required though. I don't see why it shouldn't apply until further notice . . .

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Oh don't get me wrong, I do understand the principle of the SORN declaration - not only does it pick up on people stringing out their tax as you've said, but it also does help to keep DVLA's records up to date as far as what vehicles are where and it what condition...

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I do take exception to being fined more than the cost of a year's tax (its 64 for a bike) for forgetting to make a free declaration. I didn't use the vehicle without tax (which they also assume, adding 3 months back tax to the fine) and there would have been nothing wrong with writing a letter saying 'Your declaration is overdue, please either fill in the correct form or pay for tax or we'll fine you', giving you the benifit of the doubt.

Incidentally, and I need to get hold of a V11 to check, but I don't think it actually states that you are obliged to remember - it certainly doesn't state that on the letter of receipt I got when I first made the declaration. Its the whole attitude of guilty until proven innocent and no discression that I have a problem with. Even if you miss a council tax payment they give you a chance to put things right before fining you / taking you to court.
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I do take exception to being fined more than the cost of a year's tax (its 64 for a bike) for forgetting to make a free declaration. I didn't use the vehicle without tax (which they also assume, adding 3 months back tax to the fine) and there would have been nothing wrong with writing a letter saying 'Your declaration is overdue, please either fill in the correct form or pay for tax or we'll fine you', giving you the benifit of the doubt.
Ouch! I can see why you're pissed off!

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There's a lot of emphasis on criminalising small offences.

And yet so many resources are needed to avert/deal with serious crime.

K & P
That's because serious offences need evidence, manpower, investigation time, and don't show up as much of a percentage in this ridiculous league table culture we now seem to have.

Lots of little offences, however, make it look like the police are actually doing something useful.

And, of course, things like speeding fines can be automated so your clearing nearly 100% profit on every one...
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I'd also like to know what happens to the email and address data you supply via the petition... stored in a disenters database no doubt ready to be added into your ID card data so they can pick out all the non new-labour militants probably....
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