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Old 29 June 2010, 17:18   #1
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How to deal with annoying scam bookings?

I seem to get a lot of these sort of emails for the business lately........

"Hello,
I want to make a reservation onbehalf of my Chinese friends because they can't speak or write good English....They will be coming into your country for their first Pre-Season vacation visit.
They are just two (2) couples
*Mr & Mrs Po Chui Yang (41 and 36yrs)
*Mr & Mrs Fuhua Shirong(44 and 38yrs)
They want you to prepare a 7 days tour package and accommodation for them, They are from Hong Kong and are willing to accept and pay for your offer.
*Arrival Date :1st September, 2010
*Departure Date :7th September, 2010
*Number Of Days : 7
*Number Of Guests : 4
Confirm availability and get back to me with your rates and total cost of your rooms and services, So that i can send you my Credit Card for immediate deposit. Waiting for your reply.

Regards
James Carl."

I tend to ignore them, but is there anything else I should /could be doing to deter them??

I look forward to any suggestions

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Old 29 June 2010, 17:38   #2
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I get them too, but I don't know what the scam is? Usually when I tell them our hotel closed 18 months ago that is the end of it
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Old 29 June 2010, 18:21   #3
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I believe the way the scam works is you receive a cheque cashed on a foreign bank which appears to clear straight away but in reality can take up to 6 weeks to clear properly.

In the mean time they contact you and say they have had a family crisis etc and cannot now come. They ask if you will refund just 25 or 50% or so of the original monies.
You then send them the money, the original cheque eventualy turns out to be a dud and your bank withdraws the funds again.

At this point of course you are down to the value of what you refunded and they can't be contacted.

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Old 29 June 2010, 19:06   #4
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Dear James

Thank you for choosing our hotel.

I am delighted to confirm the reservations for Mr & Mrs Po Chui Yang and Mr & Mrs Fuhua Shirong. Our room rate is £275 per room, a total of £3,300 + VAT.

Please send a non-refundable deposit of 50%.

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Old 29 June 2010, 19:48   #5
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I recieved this one on Monday:

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I want to book for a RYA Sailing Course for 7 people who will be coming into the country for 1 week from the 10TH AUGUST 2010 TO 18th AUGUST 2010. Please kindly confirm the booking for us with cost/deposit required to fully secure the dates.

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Old 04 July 2010, 03:52   #6
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I recieved this one on Monday:
Thanks Guys....

Nasher, thanks for the explanation re scam

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I get these. I just ignore them, life's too short to be arsed

I suspect that they tend to target small/new businesses with an online presence. B&B's, for example. The offer of loadsa money can blind an otherwise sensible person to the risks.

If you're bored and a bit dodge yourself, you could try fishing for a bit of "seed" money - eg an "Authorisation Payment" of 2.5% made by Paypal prior to the booking being accepted, your terms being a 75% refund of the main payment if cancelled more than seven days prior to arrival

Of course, you have to ask yourself if you could sleep at night, having pinched $20 off an almost destitute Ghanian scammer.

(I could)
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my daughter knows a guy that had a similar email ,he decided to play the game and see how far it would go, replyed and within a week he recived his cheque took it to his bank and cashed it ,next day the bank tempory closed down his account whilst investigations took hold so looks like the banks maybe are onto this type of thing .

also and not from abroad are the letters sent out by debt recovery firms stating that persons are owing money usually perhaps a hundred quid or so and that its going up all the time with court costs ,soliciters fees ect , even though that you may not owe or have had any form of credit in your entire life ,usually your details are from a mailing list ,the pretence is that even if you dont owe any money there will be someone out there that will pay up to save hassle ,,funny that when challenged and the details of the debt are asked for the recovery firms cannot bring up the origi nal contract .
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There is a question that I have always wanted an answer to, but have never asked of anyone who “knows” the answer. I get different replies from different people, and perhaps, this is not the place to ask it ! But here goes anyway.

Let us suppose you get an invoice from one of your regular suppliers (gas, electricity etc.) which you know absolutely to be wrong. You ring the call centre, explain, they promise to get back to you, but never do. This happens several times until you are sick with trying. Even writing to them is no use at all.
The next thing you know is a phone call/letter from a debt collection agency demanding payment. You explain again. They say pay up or else. This also happens a few times and the threats grow.

Now, my question is about the “or else” bit. Can a debt collection agency:
-enter your house? No, they cant-not without trickery.
-put you on a credit risk agency-etc. Without going to court? Without your knowing about it?
In other words, without your being notified, can they take further action? And what exactly is that action?
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Now, my question is about the “or else” bit. Can a debt collection agency:
-enter your house? No, they cant-not without trickery.
-put you on a credit risk agency-etc. Without going to court? Without your knowing about it?
In other words, without your being notified, can they take further action? And what exactly is that action?
I think the exact phraseology is 'they cannot force entry' on a first visit - the usual approach is trickery, however according to a BBC News item the other day they can also gain access through an open door / window if there is one. Once they have gained access the first time they then have free access.

I don't know about court, I would assume you would have to be notified of a court date but I could be wrong.

By the time the debt collection agency is called in, you will most likely already have a default entered on your credit report. Some years ago I was working out in the USA and without realising went over the credit limit on my mobile phone. The bill got paid on time by direct debit, so I thought no more about it until I did a routine check on my credit report and found they had marked the bill down as a default .

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