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Old 06 March 2014, 17:11   #11
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"As for driving on to her! Wtf was he doing? Completely panicked in my eyes."

Trying to save her?
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He is a fireman apparently and at least he got off his arse and went out there FFS
Eh? A fireman that happened to have a jet ski with a stretcher on and a helmet cam?

Notwithstanding he saved them, and yes of course he got off his arse, but my point was "surely we can assume he's a lifeguard"!!
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Unlike the Bavaria thread, can we not assume this guy was a lifeguard, based on the fact he has a camera and stretcher on the back of the boat. Therefore can we not be a bit more critical if his over enthusiastic verging on chaotic rescue?

The "non-professional" in the Bavaria thread could teach him a thing or two about composure.

There seemed to be little in terms of applied process/practice of getting someone on a jet ski that rolls over.

As for driving on to her! Wtf was he doing? Completely panicked in my eyes.

But yes, he did save them, just.
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Eh? A fireman that happened to have a jet ski with a stretcher on and a helmet cam?

Notwithstanding he saved them, and yes of course he got off his arse, but my point was "surely we can assume he's a lifeguard"!!
HP - I'm not sure what your point was. He was a firefighter. The PWC he was manning said "Bombardier" on it which my primitive Portugese means "Fire Brigade". There are firefighters in Glasgow trained and equipped with PWC's for water rescue situations - so this doesn't seem odd to me. He wasn't a "lifeguard" but he was a specialist there to help with equipment designed for the job. Perhaps that was your point?

Was his rescue chaotic? I don't think so - as someone else pointed out you can only control a PWC at speed, I've seen the Strathclyde Fire & Rescue* guys training and its very much a snatch and grab type approach. Given no lifejackets here a slower controlled recovery may have been catastrophic. Casualties are usually recovered onto the sled at the back rather than the ski itself - only because of the numbers involved did he need to have anyone on the ski. I bet he's never had any reason to train rescuing 5 people spread out like that either.

He does come across as a bit shouty - but I work with a portugese guy who comes across that way in English and even more so in his native tongue - he's the most placid person in the office! Its just a cultural / tone thing that takes a wee bit of getting used to. To be fair it wasn't really the time for a discussion either.

I'm not sure you can criticise the guy for almost hitting her as she disappeared under the water, then reappeared. Was it perfect - perhaps not. But surely we'd rather an 8/10 rescue operation with some risks than a 10/10 recovery operation. Obviously its easy to critique from behind a desk. When rescue operations are dictated by people who sit behind desks things go wrong.

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I don't think the shouty shouty approach is too far, if someone is semi submerged then it may be the only way to make communication with that person. We must think of the confusion we would have been in if we where tired and chocking on water, so a bit of louder than normal words of wisdom would hopefully kick them into last attempt mode and boost that survival action. I know through experience on my HUET course that I could barely hear properly half the time because of water in my ears and the sound of chop, this was in a controlled environment . This guy whoever he was saved life's and that's all that matters


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The fact the girl sank did'nt help, its a jet ski (no prop) so running a sunk person over at low speed would be the least of my worries. Jetskis also don't steer once switched off (kill switch was detached to jump in & aid by the looks of it)

That was a good job & he went for those in the most distress first. Drowning persons will grab or hang onto what ever they can get there hands onto, at which point they are safe if maybe somewhat awkward to handle & distressed.

A very good job in the difficult & very urgent looking circumstance where two persons were going under & soon to be out of sight.
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