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Old 10 April 2007, 21:10   #31
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my point is that the fact that a Vulcan could fly all the way from the UK to do it had no impact on either the tactical war on the ground or the strategic/political picture.
I always seam to remember that they flew thier rades from Ascension Island, 3,500 miles away. remember the cartoon at the time showing two Argentines asking each other how sodding big our aircraft carriers where

Vulcan bommer was a inposing sight, I would think that just flying one past in the daylight would have got them thinking
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What about the fact the damaged runway denied them the ability to fly off fast jets???
You're going round in circles - see my earlier point about the runway being fixable within 24 hrs had it been a priority. It wasnt a priority, as most of the Mirages/A4s/Super E's were launched from the mainland and the hole in the middle of the runway didnt impact their business, nor did it affect helicopter operations involved in resupply and troop movements.
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What about the fact the damaged runway denied them the ability to fly off fast jets???
The lack of a runway was thought by many to be the critical point that won the war - the first thing anybody with half a brain would have done would be to extend the runway. However they would never have flown fast jets off Stanley runway then or now as it is too short - the damage wasn't the key, it was the fact they forgot to make it bigger! It was only designed for light aircraft and the Fokker F27/F28s that the Argies used to run backwards and forwards to the mainland. Had they been able to operate the attack fleet out of the Falklands the Task Force would have been forced to operate from 300 miles offshore and it could (probably would) have had a very different outcome. The fact that the Argie aircraft were operating at the limit of their range meant that if any Harriers appeared they basically had to dump their loads and run as they didn't have the fuel reserves for a scrap. About the first thing the British forces did after the liberation was to vastly extend Stanley airport both the runway and the laydown areas so that they could operate all the aircraft from dry land. You can still see some of the hardcore bases for the laydown areas today, mostly disused but clearly visible.

And yes they flew the Vulcan raids from Asi not from the UK!

Photo attached from Google Earth - you can see the current tarmac runway is only about half the length of the extended one the British operated post 1982. You can also clearly see some of the bomb craters to the SW of the airport buildings.
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Old 11 April 2007, 07:16   #34
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You can also clearly see some of the bomb craters to the SW of the airport buildings.
so at least they got them in a nice neat line even if they where a bit off.
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so at least they got them in a nice neat line even if they where a bit off.

That was intentional - they delibertely bomb at a 35 degree angle to make sure at least one bomb hits. If you try to drop a stick along the runway lengthways you could end up having a nice line parallel with the runway. All explained in the book!!!
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i rest my case your honour. Lots of £££, time, effort and resource to put one 1000lb bomb on a runway that wasnt being used in any meaningful fashion and that couldnt have been used for anything threatening to the taskforce anyway. Waste of resource to pander to RAF egos.
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Waste of resource to pander to RAF egos.

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i rest my case your honour. Lots of £££, time, effort and resource to put one 1000lb bomb on a runway that wasnt being used in any meaningful fashion and that couldnt have been used for anything threatening to the taskforce anyway. Waste of resource to pander to RAF egos.
Except (mdt) that the line of bombs runs through what was the main apron and hangar area in 1982, thereby causing damage right through the middle of what was the main dispersal area, taking out the local light aircraft that the Argies were using for "spotters" at the time, and taking the line almost exactly across the middle of the runway before the bombs ran out. Dad's Cessna was one of the aircraft hit, a 1000lb bomb detonated a short distance away from it and though it looked like an aircraft from 50 yards, from 5 yards it looked like a colander. Never flew again and the prop is on the wall in Dad's house with a big chunk missing out of the back of it!

If I had been planning to drop a line of bombs based on where the Argie buildings and aircraft were in 1982, I would have put them exactly where they actually landed... but then I have the benefit of having landed at Stanley Airport many times in the last 30 odd years including on odd occasions from the driving seat, and I know what it looked like then and where everything was at the time
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