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Old 30 September 2006, 13:31   #21
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Thanks Toby

However, mine were edited also. and I also apologise for any offence caused. You Sir are a true gentleman. Just as an aside: the term racist is misused 99.9% of the time and we all know the reason why. Just do a Google on the word and select Wikapedia. and read it fully. The language that we both used does not even contraven the EU definition. Needless to say, the misuse of this term is a major problem in the melting pot of the USA. I have no intent to hi-jack this thread thus diverting the important subject matter.
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Old 30 September 2006, 13:37   #22
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Dolphin

That is murder folks. Cold blooded murder.
Let's hope Leanardo Da Vinci's words hurry up and come true.
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Old 30 September 2006, 14:16   #23
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Thanks Toby

However, mine were edited also. and I also apologise for any offence caused. You Sir are a true gentleman. Just as an aside: the term racist is misused 99.9% of the time and we all know the reason why. Just do a Google on the word and select Wikapedia. and read it fully. The language that we both used does not even contraven the EU definition. Needless to say, the misuse of this term is a major problem in the melting pot of the USA. I have no intent to hi-jack this thread thus diverting the important subject matter.
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If you are going to "claim" stuff like that Linda its usually a good idea to get make sure you knowledge is accurate. Whilst google and wiki are unbelievably useful they are not definitive answers. JK probably has his own opinion of what is or is not racist and where he draws the line. However for legal purposes in the UK the issue that he might be concerned with is the Race Relations Act (1976 and subsequent ammendments). The definition used in the act is the definition which in my experience has become popular usage in the UK.

Discrimination in the Act is defined on the following grounds: Race, Nationality including citizenship, Colour [of skin], Ethnic or National Origin. I believe the sampe definition is used in the UK law defining "racially motivated attacks".

Generally speaking the term Racist is used in the UK for any of these (although the Act doesn't use the word Racist itself).

The original thread title did appear to be unfairly tarring all Japanese people as "Bastards" IIRC - in my opinion that may contravene the UK law as racial harrasment (it being "racially" based, on the grounds that Japanese people, were being treated differently on the grounds of their Nationality/Citizenship). I also believe the new title is better, more informative, and more likely to get the attention of your intended "reader". You should thank JK rather than slate him - until he reworded it I didn't even watch the video.

And finally, if the term is "misused" 99.9% of the time as you suggest - then perhaps language has evolved since the definition was created? Another similar example is the term "forensic" which actually means legal - but which has gradually come to mean one specific instance (i.e. forensic science).

We could start a big debate here - but that would detract from the legitiamite purpose of your thread - to highlight mistreatment of some of the ocean's most loved creatures. You can do that (as all the posts that haven't been edited by JK show) without resorting to streotyping.
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However, mine were edited also. and I also apologise for any offence caused.
Yes, I changed the thread title and edited a few words of one post.
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I don't know the reason why, but I suspect that I might not agree with you.

There's an interesting essay about the meaning of the word racism here if you're interested. In any case, I'm not going to argue the semantics of Wikipedia's definitions, or anyone else's for that matter. I think it is reasonably clear to most people what is acceptable here, but just for the record here is some further clarification:

"Jap bastards" as a thread title is unnecessarily inflammatory. "Jap" in itself is a disparaging term (have a look a Wikipedia since you set so much store by it!) and why focus on the nationality plus a bit of abuse rather than the actual issue?
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Further to my previous post the responce from the other RIB forums is the same as yours as you m ay expect.

We have now contacted Green Peace and other authorities to verify the validity of this video as the moderators of the two German RIB forums, Italian RIB fdorum and our Greek RIB forum will stage a protest with the backing of Green Peace and full TV coverage (even CNN ) if the events on this video are verified as true and correct.

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This is a beautiful creature thatís is being killed world wide in many different ways( not normally as bad as this) but it does happen and its sick. i would like to tow them around like that

I have not posted on here as it makes me so f*()ing angry and now its getting turned into a discussion about this racist malarkey. What a joke polwart you told me a Scottish joke was racist, itís all over the top. have you ever been at the end of racial abuse? If you havenít then you havenít met many different people from different religions and backgrounds as you would know itís a 2 sided stick and the other end is far heavier. Go to south America and tell me you donít get called a gringo or ripped off when you buy something, thatís racial abuse they are categorising you because you are white with money, go to Johannesburg and tell me its not a racist place honky this honky that.

Itís all bad news but to be honest I donít care what you say or anyone else, most people donít let it destroy their day and if it does so what it might be the message thatís makes the change from this sort of crap happening to peace if there is such a thing.

JK has to police his site look at HMS but polwart your like a fact machine shut up its about animals not law

there fishing numbers are on the side if we all pay £10 we could blow there boats up hahahahaha get more done that way
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Further to my previous post the responce from the other RIB forums is the same as yours as you m ay expect.

We have now contacted Green Peace and other authorities to verify the validity of this video as the moderators of the two German RIB forums, Italian RIB fdorum and our Greek RIB forum will stage a protest with the backing of Green Peace and full TV coverage (even CNN ) if the events on this video are verified as true and correct.

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This is a disgusting example of callous inhumanity that should rightly be denounced by all, however, the fact that the dolphin belongs to the cute and cuddly class of animal seems to provoke a more emotional reaction than other equally abhorrent behaviour which is perpetrated much closer to home.

Before we all get over excited about stopping this cruelty how about we have a go at cruelty to children first. Maybe we could all right to our MP to demand child protection is given greater prominence for starters.
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Racist. Now theres a bag worms.

For my pennys worth. Its the Japanese doing this. Not the Greeks, English, Scottish or Germans so its right for it to be pointed out so.

As for the shortening of the the word Japanese (I Haven't done it because i don't want editing ). It annoys me that people take offence at it. When all the time I hear Jewish people being called Jews and nobody takes offence at that. But do it with some other countries and they cry foul.

The trouble with all this PC stuff is that it hides the real issues. And that seems to be the case with the way this thread is going.
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I won't be organising anything, but you're welcome to.

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OK .. thanks ... will keep everyone posted if and when anything transpires.
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