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Old 18 June 2005, 10:41   #31
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On a final note so much depends on the way they are looked after - when I bought mine I gave it a full service - only to find the gearbox was filled with EP90 - a few mates of mine have had similar problems - all these vehicles were serviced by so called Land Rover specialists.

Land Rover haven't used EP90 in gearboxes since the Series III - the oil is too thick for the pump to send it to the bearings - hence the gears are ok but the bearing play up!!! Luckily mine was fine and I get no problems but I wonder how many wrecked gearboxes have been caused by these well meaning idiots???
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Old 18 June 2005, 10:43   #32
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I wouldn't say that about the farmers up here who drive them though

Farmers?- endangered species, especialy the French variety. Come on Codders, you must admit that our Tony gave that French poodle one up his "a***e". Anyway a farmer by nature is an extrovert. Excuse the puns

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On a final note so much depends on the way they are looked after - when I bought mine I gave it a full service - only to find the gearbox was filled with EP90 - a few mates of mine have had similar problems - all these vehicles were serviced by so called Land Rover specialists.

Land Rover haven't used EP90 in gearboxes since the Series III - the oil is too thick for the pump to send it to the bearings - hence the gears are ok but the bearing play up!!! Luckily mine was fine and I get no problems but I wonder how many wrecked gearboxes have been caused by these well meaning idiots???
Codders how can you tell that oil is in the gear box?
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Old 18 June 2005, 10:53   #34
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Land Rover haven't used EP90 in gearboxes since the Series III - the oil is too thick for the pump to send it to the bearings - hence the gears are ok but the bearing play up!!! Luckily mine was fine and I get no problems but I wonder how many wrecked gearboxes have been caused by these well meaning idiots???

Excuse me Codders - but I think that is """""". If I remember from my Rangey days - there is no pump in the gearbox. ( somebody correct me if wrong) - the transfer box is splash fed by the main box- I presume that LR's are the same as RR"s. I have yet to hear of a dedicated pump for a gear box in any vehicle- what would be the point as the gears and bearings are imersed in oil anyway?? I stand to be corrected if this is not true----- but all this from bitter experience with RR transfer boxes going bang...In fact the seals of the TB leaked like a sieve and then the bearing cages which were nylon would melt and hey presto no gears

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Old 18 June 2005, 11:28   #35
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Codders how can you tell that oil is in the gear box?
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Dont forget this guy who is about 36 has had 35 years mechanical experience
Its probaly black treacle and does the same job as ep90!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Anyway apart from pulling a few legs -- Ep90 has been replaced by 80 for some time now. In 1964- most boxes were using ep140 and a few older relics ( morris 8's ect )- wait for it 180!!!!!

But most gearbox additives were based on wale sperm oil - and that dried up when wale hunting was banned ( sometime in the late 60's)
I dont know what they use now as have been out of the additive business
for some time ( Essochem paramins additives group- 4 years of dedicated service). 80 is as good as 90 .

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You can tell if it is an EP type oil by the colour and the smell - it really stinks and is a different sort of browny colour to oil - not very accurate but comes down to experience. If it looks/feels/smells the same as what comes out of your diff then it is EP stuff.

EUPA what the hell are you on about - no gearbox uses an oil pump??? Many do - including the old Range Rover 4sp and the newer 5spd boxes.

Landrover have used a variety of oils in their gearboxes over the years - including ATF in manual boxes!!!

Gears love EP oils - that's why they are used in outboard drive legs etc - problem is the stuff is too thick to pump very well - especially in cold weather.
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Horror Have been out in the boat all day, in the car park on the way out I saw a 110, now being a landy freak I went for a gander, bl..dy h..l, P reg and rusty as hell. All around the lower back, round the rivets on the back panel, flip down side steps twisted and rusted, panic has just set in WHAT have I done ?

Either someone has taken no care of it or it is just crap. I have heard that the parts are good it is just the goons that fit it together are crap, not my choice of words just what I was told, but why the rust the paintwork is blistered all over. My Frontera is an S reg without a single spot of rust, immaculate but unfortunately not strong enough really, I will be sad to see it go, just don't know the best place to sell it.

Anyway back to the Land Rover, I see what people say about odd people getting them, I realise I may need to start smoking roll ups and grow a beard, but then that is not too difficult , but tell me why after all my research these monsters keep their money, in the USA they sell for more 10yrs old than new 4x4's over there.

How many barrels of duck oil do I need and can I squirt it behind these rivets that I have seen rusting. With my trailer I looked at a few old ones, took notice of where they rusted and now keep all those parts well greased and oiled, not difficult but it seems to work. So Land Rover owners please come clean and tell me where the rust hot spots are, I have put my money where my mouth is and need to look after this mad investment.

Cheers everybody, very, very helpful but scary on some points.
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Well my Disco's engine just failed while towing the boat. I had to rescue the boat first and the Disco second with my Jeep. Landrover sh*t. And I've had a few of them. End of story.
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Was the defender not voted Top Gears award for best car of all time?

http://www.carpages.co.uk/land_rover...echo=709045890

http://www.landrovermalaysia.com.my/...caralltime.htm

What is wrong with these people, what do they like about them then? All I know is that my wife said she fancied a bit of rough so I bought one

Anyway, seeing as this new heap of sh.t is going to keep breaking down, does anyone know if my boat and trailer would be recovered either here or in Europe under the Land Rover Europe asssistance when it breaks down?
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You can tell if it is an EP type oil by the colour and the smell

Would you like -with your vast knowledge base to inform what "ep" stands for?
you have 10 minutes and this is timed to 1950 GMt+1. I do know.

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