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Old 11 November 2011, 18:05   #31
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Another thought is the riding position. Modern sports bikes put the weight of the rider on your wrists whilst the older more upright style less so when riding around town. At speed the wind pressure takes your body weight. Your wrists will hurt for a while until you get used to it on a sports bike, hence the suggestion something like the Zephyr which is a classic btw.

Also see if you can find a biker whose owner drives a car during the winter so the bike is fun summer weekend transport. All things considered the condition will be much better.

I certainly wouldn't be put off with an older 1990s bike. At the prices being asked if you were unfortunate enough to chuck it down the road then pick it up, straighten the bars get back on and ride off. Try that with a modern plastic fantastic and you will end up with an airfix kit to glue back together.

Had one of these for a week as a courtesy bike. Great for around town and fun through the traffic and very frugal. Dakar version if your taller and CS if you want belt drive rather than chain or are shorter.

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Old 11 November 2011, 18:11   #32
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Another thought is the riding position. Modern sports bikes put the weight of the rider on your wrists whilst the older more upright style less so when riding around town. At speed the wind pressure takes your body weight. Your wrists will hurt for a while until you get used to it on a sports bike, hence the suggestion something like the Zephyr which is a classic btw.

Also see if you can find a biker whose owner drives a car during the winter so the bike is fun summer weekend transport. All things considered the condition will be much better.

I certainly wouldn't be put off with an older 1990s bike. At the prices being asked if you were unfortunate enough to chuck it down the road then pick it up, straighten the bars get back on and ride off. Try that with a modern plastic fantastic and you will end up with an airfix kit to glue back together.

Had one of these for a week as a courtesy bike. Great for around town and fun through the traffic and very frugal. Dakar version if your taller and CS if you want belt drive rather than chain or are shorter.

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That's a nice looking bike for the money Pete. What would you say is the average mileage a year for a bike ?? is it similar to cars !!
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You should find most bikes sitting in a warm garage during the winter so mileage much lower than say a car and the overall condition will reflect this. From the advert which is quite typical:

I bought the bike in May and have only put about 1100 miles on her since


Japanese bikes don't do well during the winter with salt attacking the ali parts. Those that do ride during the winter either accept this and don't worry about it or wash the bike like mad. Personally on an older bike I wouldn't worry.

Whilst BMW might be seen as bikes for old codgers that's exactly what your looking for rather than something trashed to within an inch of its life every day. BMW were also more expensive, so first few owners had money to have the extras like luggage and heated handle grips fitted as standard and the the bike dealer serviced etc. There is a 12v socket for extras on that F650 for example and something

The 650 is much lighter than the larger BMWs and really quite nippy through traffic. MPG should be around 50mpg depending on riding style which will be hard to beat. Oh and check the road tax, which will be low enough to make 4x4 drivers cry

This is worth a read:

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Have to say I'm rather taken by the F650 as well. A mate had an early (T reg) one for a while and I had a play on it,along with riding around 600 miles in a weekend alongside me.
With road tyres on the handling is quite good, they are quite cheap to run and they have a reasonable turn of speed for what they are. If you're that type, they wheelie easily too

650 road tax isn't that low though-it's just above the 600cc cutoff for really cheap tax.

The only real negative is that the finish, while better than Jap bikes of the same era isn't really up to what I used to expect from BMW-but saying that, it's still not bad.
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Is this a good starter bike ??

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I believe that the Guernsey bikers use them, being as they are of a shorter stature

Are the tyres any good on this Nos ??
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"Also see if you can find a biker whose owner drives a car during the winter so the bike is fun summer weekend transport. All things considered the condition will be much better."

Pete - my BIKER doesn't have an owner (unless you're referring to my bank manager?)
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Have to say I'm rather taken by the F650 as well. A mate had an early (T reg) one for a while and I had a play on it,along with riding around 600 miles in a weekend alongside me.
With road tyres on the handling is quite good, they are quite cheap to run and they have a reasonable turn of speed for what they are. If you're that type, they wheelie easily too

650 road tax isn't that low though-it's just above the 600cc cutoff for really cheap tax.

The only real negative is that the finish, while better than Jap bikes of the same era isn't really up to what I used to expect from BMW-but saying that, it's still not bad.
Seconded! bought an early pre GS one last year with a little accident damage, repaired it and added some panniers probably cost about 1200 all in with a new set of tyres then went to France on it to visit the Normandy Landing beaches. Its got 30k on the clock but lots of history & didn't miss a beat. I planned on selling it once i'd got back but its just been to useful to let go so i'm planning a trip to the pyrenees next year with the old boy who's 74 and still riding an 1150rt. There's a good forum F650.co.uk if you do decide on one

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Yeah my mate Chris gave up his FJ1300 cos he kept fallin' over doing U-turns (little legs, fat belly ) and he got one of the latest 650's from BMW. Beautiful bike, he's delighted with it! A very capable machine by all accounts.
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I bought a Suzuki Bandit GSF 650cc brand new in 2006 for commuting . It cost about 4300 . Just got a quote from " webuyanybike.com" who offered me 850 . I suspect that the real selling value is about twice that . ( Mines not for sale anyway , at least not until I retire ! ). It's been a really good reliable commuter.....a couple of punctures but never broken down .....touches wood quickly !. I suspect that a new chain set & two new tyres , it really would be good as new , but as already mentioned , don't underestimate the price of genuine spare parts . ( 560 for a genuine suzy exhaust tail pipe )
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Bought my Kawasaki Zx-10 B3 (AKA Tomcat) 4 years ago, dodgy 6000 miles on the clock but still in exceptional condition for 1500. Still worth 1200 now prolly.

Still holds it's own both on the straights and the twisties.

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