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Old 26 January 2013, 03:50   #31
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well as you might have noticed with the highfield ribs they had a strange engine make on the back! So here for viewing are a few pictures.

Now if only we were moving into a bigger workshop maybe , just maybe we might want to start selling something like these.
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Old 26 January 2013, 05:19   #32
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If anyone's paying 700 a week I'm changing jobs as it would be my dream job to build ribs!
most off the boys that work for sunseeker, fairline earn that before tax, are they cutting courners ?
as said if you have low overheads than you can build boats well
look it this way if tubes for 7/8 m are 4/5 k + vat
fiberglass for the above is max 3 k + vat
labour 3 weeks 2.5 k
overheads /profit 3 k
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why charge over 20 k + vat for above size
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Old 26 January 2013, 05:37   #33
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I was actively looking for barrus / mercury and could not find them.

I was there on business spread over 3 days and the attendance seamed very low - great as a visitor but as an organiser or exhibitor thats a bad thing for the shows future.
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went there in 2010, and thought there no point back in the day pre 2000 i think at earls court used be good used pop up after work 3/4 times in week, but back to my point about cost ribs,boats ect they charge way too much for week to have stand there when most people contact guys over the internet, if you could desplay say 3/4 boats for 1/2 k then they fill the halls, thats why rib x and sea works will do beter now it think
dont get me wrong be nice go back too old days with buzz but the internet changed things
years ago who buy somthing without seeing in it real life now we all do buy now or bid on boat with out looking at it
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Old 26 January 2013, 06:37   #34
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I went on the Sunday and was a little disappointed. I understand that it was the last day but no one seemed hugely interested in talking to me or discussing their products. There was a very friendly chap on the Ribeye stand who I spoke to for a while, and XS ribs too. Unfortunately Cobra didn't seem interested at all, there were a few people on board the two boats they had but they didn't seem to be prospective customers or reps..

Piranha were completely disinterested, I stood for about ten minutes looking at the three boats they had, obviously looking interested and with brochures in my hands and they didn't want to know. Which is a real shame because I wanted to speak to them. Looks as if the quality of their products has rocketed in the past couple of years.

RC absent and no one else really exciting. Saw the Scorpion and the Technohull, really liked the Technohull, twin 300 Yams and a nice sized cabin.

The bike show next door seemed a lot more busy than the boat show itself

Still, I went on the cable car too which was fun
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Old 26 January 2013, 06:42   #35
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I agree with the above. We were treated well as we had branded polo shirts on but other people were ignored and one manufacturers opening line on a 13k boat was are you sure you can afford it!
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Old 26 January 2013, 07:56   #36
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most off the boys that work for sunseeker, fairline earn that before tax, are they cutting courners ?
The big boat market seems to be doing pretty well at the moment. I have a friend who's working out in Italy at the moment on a 90 meter that's being refitted. He's taking home about 5k a month.

The budget end of the market also seems to be doing pretty well, sub 5k. It seems to me the 5k - 2m that's suffering at the moment. I've spoken to quite a few people that seem to back this theory up.
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most off the boys that work for sunseeker, fairline earn that before tax, are they cutting courners ?
as said if you have low overheads than you can build boats well
look it this way if tubes for 7/8 m are 4/5 k + vat
fiberglass for the above is max 3 k + vat
labour 3 weeks 2.5 k
overheads /profit 3 k
seats stainless 2/3 k
why charge over 20 k + vat for above size
Many a business has failed based on those type of crazy assumptions! I like the way you are paying the guy doing the work 700 / wk but the "overheads/profit" which have to cover all the building, plus the sales/marketing comes to less - the owner would be going home with nothing! And you have forgotten the design / build / development / ce marking costs etc, especially since a credible builder needs a range of boats, a demo boat etc.

Do you know how much a boat show stand costs? Or a full page magazine ad every issue of RIBmag?

And the 'cost of money' (whether it is your own or borrowed) is pretty significant - so you need to factor in the start up capital and its interest.

The reason there are unsuccessful rib builders is not high prices, but lack of basic business understanding from people who get a notion to build ribs.


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I went on the Sunday and was a little disappointed. I understand that it was the last day but no one seemed hugely interested in talking to me or discussing their products.
The bike show next door seemed a lot more busy than the boat show itself
But to be fair you probably don't appear to be the obvious boat buying demographic... ...you probably look more likely to have got bored looking at bikes and gone for a nosey... it may not be right to ignore customers but I've walked a lot of trade shows and if you are seriously interested (i.e. going to spend money) I've never had an issue getting attention or taken seriously.

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opening line on a 13k boat was are you sure you can afford it!
not the best way of qualifying customers - but I bet he gets rid of a lot of tyre kickers with it!
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But to be fair you probably don't appear to be the obvious boat buying demographic... ...you probably look more likely to have got bored looking at bikes and gone for a nosey... it may not be right to ignore customers but I've walked a lot of trade shows and if you are seriously interested (i.e. going to spend money) I've never had an issue getting attention or taken seriously.
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Pfft I wore my best suit!

Out of interest how much is it to exhibit?
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Pfft I wore my best suit!
that would be your mistake... young guy looking out of place in a suit... probably thought your Exhibition "Security" Staff!
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I don't know, but based on trade shows I've been to in other worlds, I would expect a stand big enough to fit a 6m boat and the associated crap you get around it is probably not going to leave you much change from 20k. The very smallest, cheapest stands are probably still around 4k. BUT that is all speculation.
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I don't know, but based on trade shows I've been to in other worlds, I would expect a stand big enough to fit a 6m boat and the associated crap you get around it is probably not going to leave you much change from 20k. The very smallest, cheapest stands are probably still around 4k. BUT that is all speculation.
Wow I didn't realise it was quite that much. Pretty big investment for the little firms that is.
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