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Old 01 April 2017, 11:18   #1
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Anyone know the rules regarding carrying fuel from the filling station to your boat. Specifically using a pickup with a canopy?
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Use proper designated fuel containers...well sealed and secured against spillage..second nature for a Scot!..Been doing it for 30+years with no hassell,even when seen by the Old Bill filling up 100 litres+..
Just get on with it..Personally I like Siphon Tubes to facilitate re-fuelling.
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Anyone know the rules regarding carrying fuel from the filling station to your boat. Specifically using a pickup with a canopy?
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In general you will find two types of garage:

1. Don't care / turn a blind eye to sensible looking people filling up in a sensible way. Usually people near the coast are more understanding.

2. Will stick to the rules they have been taught. You won't change their view even if you put the legislation in front of them. Often associated with supermarket chains (although Asda are unmanned!).

By and large once you've actually got the fuel, the only time someone will show any interest in how you are moving it (unless perhaps you are commercial / a club and other people pay attention) is after something goes wrong.
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That makes interesting reading Poly.
I have been stopped filling 4 x 5ltr containers when we had motocross bikes in the pickup and assumed that was the rules, max of 2x5ltrs but I guess that's just a supermarket rule
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I have always found the nightime automated supermarket pumps very obliging and helpful over purchasing large quantities of fuel

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been stopped a number of times for filling up 25l tanks around my way at different stations.

i don't know why the law is like this anymore, it would be cheaper to burn single malt than petrol for starting fires!
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If you store petrol at home, or at a club/association or similar premises - Petrol: Fire and explosion
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All info here:

http://www.hse.gov.uk/fireandexplosi...ssociation.htm
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Except it doesn't answer the OP's question about transporting it (which the RYA one above does!).

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i don't know why the law is like this anymore, it would be cheaper to burn single malt than petrol for starting fires!
I doubt it was ever about malicious fire starting [although you are completely wrong - even cheap whisky is about 10x the cost of petrol]. The issue is really because too many people are stupid and will store it somewhere stupid and the fire brigade have to deal with the consequences.
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Never had any problems at all....but then again I'm a very unassuming and charming type of Chap!....
If you're confident,know what you're doing,and have the right kit it helps
..Most staff/people at Coastal Service stations/locations also know the economic benefits the Boating fraternity bring.. know the score ...and act accordingly

We use a Large Super Market filling station on our group trips to the Oban (and have done for years!) area and often fill up Plastic Jerry can with 100's of litres petrol...no problem!...apart from re-setting the pumps,each time it reaches the 100litre cut off!
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Except it doesn't answer the OP's question about transporting it (which the RYA one above does!).
Yes it does, as follows:

How much petrol can I store on a vehicle?
You can store up to 30 litres of petrol in a maximum of 2 suitable containers in your vehicle. For the purpose of these Regulations a ‘vehicle’ is interpreted as any type of vehicle so includes boats, aircraft and hovercraft. This type of storage counts towards the total you can store at non workplace premises. Carriage of petrol is covered by the Carriage of Dangerous Goods (CDG) and the European agreement (ADR).

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Yes it does, as follows:

How much petrol can I store on a vehicle?
You can store up to 30 litres of petrol in a maximum of 2 suitable containers in your vehicle. For the purpose of these Regulations a ‘vehicle’ is interpreted as any type of vehicle so includes boats, aircraft and hovercraft. This type of storage counts towards the total you can store at non workplace premises. Carriage of petrol is covered by the Carriage of Dangerous Goods (CDG) and the European agreement (ADR).

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Storage is not transportation. Although I hadn't seen the link to the exemption for non commercial transportation.
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You are splitting hairs...

To transport it, you need to first store it !
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Welcome to the forum.

A couple of additional suggestions:

Wedge or tie them in so they can't go walkabout in the back.

Metal cans possibly have some advantages but they are susceptible to corrosion and they attract condensation - I'd use plastic.
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You are splitting hairs...

To transport it, you need to first store it !
For private use you can transport up to 240 litres in containers no larger than 60 litres - it's the first paragraph of the RYA guidance that is relevant (assuming it is for private use).

Storage is different.
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Except it doesn't answer the OP's question about transporting it (which the RYA one above does!).



I doubt it was ever about malicious fire starting [although you are completely wrong - even cheap whisky is about 10x the cost of petrol]. The issue is really because too many people are stupid and will store it somewhere stupid and the fire brigade have to deal with the consequences.
you COMPLETELY missed the point....
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You are splitting hairs...

To transport it, you need to first store it !
No, he's answering the OP's question correctly - storage and transportation are treated differently and have very different max allowable volumes. 30 litres as opposed to 240 - worth splitting a hair or two for, I'd say!
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Lets get one thing sorted. To transport petrol, it must first be stored. You physically cannot transport it otherwise.

The regs do not mention transporting of fuel outside of a work context. Therefore the storage regs apply.

I have read the RYA guidance note here:
Carriage and Storage of Petrol and Diesel | Regulations | Knowledge & Advice | Knowledge & Advice | RYA

By their own admission, this is an interpretation of the current rules and regs. So you would not rely on this interpretation in your defence.

The RYA article is flawed in a number of ways:
- It state that a max of 240 litres can be transported where each contained is no more than 60 litres. Yet the article fails to cite sources for these figures / claims. This is poor form.
- The RYA article does list 3 sources of information used to inform the above claims, which I have read. I have been unable to verify the claims.
- The numbers and claims contradict the HSE regulations available here: If you store petrol at home, or at a club/association or similar premises - Petrol: Fire and explosion which states that "you can store up to 30 litres of petrol in a maximum of 2 suitable containers in your vehicle."

Given the highly dangerous nature of petrol I am very surprised by the very poor quality article published by the RYA. It is standard practice when writing such articles to cite the source for each key piece of information, allowing a reader to validate each claim and read around each claim accordingly.

I have emailed the RYA and asked them to amend the article. Let's see what happens.
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I think before you go all ranty, you probably want to read the legislation you think you are quoting. Storage in this context clearly does not mean what you think it does - the clue is in the title / question on the HSE page you quote: "at home or on your premises".
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