The Sea Killed my Landy

[GeoffW]

Originally Posted by smallribber

Many people like to Dis Land Rovers and I agree they have their issues. I still think however they are one of the best tow vehicles out there..... Looking for a nice Disco 4 at the moment. there are several about but might wait till next spring

I agree, there is unlikey to be a better tow vehicle or off roader , they make easy work of both jobs. My two D 4 s i had were both very reliable unlike the 3 so i was lucky , but my experience seems to be rare sadly . Only reason for not going for another was ££££. Land Rover have priced me out the market , got greedy , just crazy prices.

There plenty better value , more reliable , well built, more economical options that are well able to haul the average rib with ease , in my case Skoda and Volvo offer more comfort and better build quality with a smaller price tag . No brainer. New Defender looks cool. But again over priced.

[smallribber]

Originally Posted by GeoffW

I agree, there is unlikey to be a better tow vehicle or off roader , they make easy work of both jobs. My two D 4 s i had were both very reliable unlike the 3 so i was lucky , but my experience seems to be rare sadly . Only reason for not going for another was ££££. Land Rover have priced me out the market , got greedy , just crazy prices.

There plenty better value , more reliable , well built, more economical options that are well able to haul the average rib with ease , in my case Skoda and Volvo offer more comfort and better build quality with a smaller price tag . No brainer. New Defender looks cool. But again over priced.

I agree the New Land Rovers are way over Priced and I think Land Rover have kind of lost their way..... I still think Second Hand you can pick up good deals.... I also think the Disco 2 td5 is a very good vehicle for our hobby

[GuyC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkpB8okB-xw

I do like how the poverty spec one looks though.

[paulbrown22]

I still think they missed a trick with the New Defender (as they seem to call it on their website) in terms of styling cues. Especially from the front end, if you just saw one drive past, unless you happen to know it's New Defender, you wouldn't really relate it to the original Defender. Fine, it's still got the alpine roof lights, steel wheels in poverty spec, etc. so there are some design cues there, but overall it hasn't really grown on me yet. Even more so given various tales of people having issues, and the price point.

I'm not a Merc fan at all, but with the G-Wagen refresh they seem to have done a much better job of changing and modernising all the underpinnings, drive train, interior, etc., but keeping nearly all of it's original character. Sadly the price point is also very high!

I stopped to take some photos of my Series 1 107" next to a neighbour's New Defender last weekend, as I thought my bare Birmabright panels echoed his silver paintwork quite nicely, but I'm still waiting to be convinced by this new model...

[telecast]

In terms of styling cues - the lovely plastic chequer plate on the wings says everything you need to know.

I am willing to bet the 107 is still running when that other thing is long consigned to scrap heap.

[paulbrown22]

Exactly, not the sort of "styling" I particularly want...

And yes, the 107" has managed 65 years so far, and I hope it's got at least that left in it without any major problems.

When you watch some of the YouTube channels with the New Defender, it sounds like some have already been consigned to the scrap heap, as Land Rover just can't work out what's wrong with them, and just replace them! A great shame for what should be such an iconic model.

[GeoffW]

Originally Posted by smallribber

I agree the New Land Rovers are way over Priced and I think Land Rover have kind of lost their way..... I still think Second Hand you can pick up good deals.... I also think the Disco 2 td5 is a very good vehicle for our hobby

Fully agree. Lost thier way and saw the future in high end big engines town limos. Clearly a market for those , but left the rest of us who liked the brand despite reliability issues and wanted to buy British but loyalty does not extend to paying massively more for a Land Rover product that has sustained poor reliability reputation over something better priced , more reliable suv that can do 80/90% of what a disco can do on and off road .

Is Land Rover better than Volvo or Shogun or Toyota or Skoda ? The old saying. Better is the enemy of good enough applies. I question whether land rover is better or good enough or cheap enough .

A Volvo XC 60 or Skoda Kodiaq should deliver all the average rib owner needs with great build quality and interior fit wnd a better more fuel efficient family car.

And if you go volvo. Base model leather seats standard , leather from Scotland in all volvos globally, same supplier that land rover and Aston Martin leather seats.

[GeoffW]

Originally Posted by smallribber

I agree the New Land Rovers are way over Priced and I think Land Rover have kind of lost their way..... I still think Second Hand you can pick up good deals.... I also think the Disco 2 td5 is a very good vehicle for our hobby

I agree again. Last of the D2 were great looking and if you can get one thats got life in it. Why not.

[Maximus]

Being in the Motor trade for many years I've had and used Most Land Rover and Range Rover variants .....and others ...both for normal motoring and Towing,and in fairness they do a decent Job most of the time...
I'm currently on my Fourth Toyota Landcruiser (over the years) and overall they (IMO) are by far the best option for heavy Towing....all round reliability ....ease of servicing ..running costs...and overall Rugged Build...and I do a lot more Towing than most!..both distance Boating and for work.

Another great attribute, for me anyway! ....is the comparative LACK of electrical sensors and and superfluous Luxury gizmos!....and bits of plastic to fall off!
Many LC's have done WELL in excess of 200K and still command fair prices!.....not so much with Disco's and Rangies eh???
Like an Ausie friend told me...."If you want to go into the Bush...Take a Land Rover!
But... if you want to come out again!....Take a Land Cruiser!"

[GeoffW]

Great Scottish company fitting luxury car brands and beyond.

https://www.volvocars.com/uk/about/h...bridge-of-weir

[gtflash]

We did 3rd of chassis on the discovery 2 last year. It’s been pulling boats 18 years. I remember the rear discs crumbling between my fingers. It’s an old tractor now but a joy to have in the family.

Times have moved on and I need a new car but want to Find something that can pull both the boat and caravan plus be able to commute 250-500 miles a week.

The missus likes discovery sports but I have my doubt it will deal with the boat slip, or pull stuck trailer brakes out the back garden without ripping the grass up, the d2 does both very very well without a hint of wheel spin and was worth the chassis fix. I could go big guns like a full fat or get her the sport and myself a old beemer plus keep the D2 but it seems like a lot of cars.

I always planned to POR15 the d2 chassis after its fix but life got in the way

[beerbelly]

another point for a mid 2000 disco/ sport is lack of dpf .i do very few miles but need a vehicle that can be used for work as well as towing .most if not all of the competition of the same age and type are dpf equipped

[smallribber]

Originally Posted by beerbelly

another point for a mid 2000 disco/ sport is lack of dpf .i do very few miles but need a vehicle that can be used for work as well as towing .most if not all of the competition of the same age and type are dpf equipped

dpf ?

[neil.mccrirrick]

Diesel particulate filter

[Fender]

Originally Posted by gtflash

We did 3rd of chassis on the discovery 2 last year. It’s been pulling boats 18 years. I remember the rear discs crumbling between my fingers. It’s an old tractor now but a joy to have in the family.

Times have moved on and I need a new car but want to Find something that can pull both the boat and caravan plus be able to commute 250-500 miles a week.

The missus likes discovery sports but I have my doubt it will deal with the boat slip, or pull stuck trailer brakes out the back garden without ripping the grass up, the d2 does both very very well without a hint of wheel spin and was worth the chassis fix. I could go big guns like a full fat or get her the sport and myself a old beemer plus keep the D2 but it seems like a lot of cars.

I always planned to POR15 the d2 chassis after its fix but life got in the way

Discovery sports are just the latest reincarnation of the Freelander, not a true 4x4 the likes of a Range Rover / Defender, unfortunately they also don't to too well on the reliability surveys Chap I work with, his Dad brought a new DS, didn't last long before it was sold - Think the DPF system would keep throwing up faults and LR couldn't get to the bottom of the issue

[GeoffW]

I assume the effort within landrover is not how to fix or improve diesel or petrol engines but to catch up with the pack on electric. They are poorly positioned with nothing in the range thats electric or hybrid i assume ? Other makes seem to be years ahead on the electric green road. The date of no new carbon fueled cars is not far away.

[paulbrown22]

Originally Posted by GeoffW

They are poorly positioned with nothing in the range thats electric or hybrid i assume ?

Not entirely, you can have hybrid PHEV versions of the full fat Range Rover, Range Rover Sport, Discovery, Evoque and Velar I believe, and a hybrid New Defender is supposedly coming, but not sure it's out yet.

But certainly the full fat RR and RR Sport only seem to manage a max 20 or so miles in the real world on electric, so a fairly limited use case if you want the real benefit, almost assuming you can charge it up at either end of your journey so you always have some electricity.

[GeoffW]

Originally Posted by paulbrown22

Not entirely, you can have hybrid PHEV versions of the full fat Range Rover, Range Rover Sport, Discovery, Evoque and Velar I believe, and a hybrid New Defender is supposedly coming, but not sure it's out yet.

But certainly the full fat RR and RR Sport only seem to manage a max 20 or so miles in the real world on electric, so a fairly limited use case if you want the real benefit, almost assuming you can charge it up at either end of your journey so you always have some electricity.

Just 20 mile range on battery in the full fat RR ! Mind you thats enough to drop off Rupert and Lucinda at school and swing by Waitrose and home for fat free yogurt, so well within the Range Rovers usual day to day requiements

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by GeoffW

Just 20 mile range on battery in the full fat RR ! Mind you thats enough to drop off Rupert and Lucinda at school and swing by Waitrose and home for fat free yogurt, so well within the Range Rovers usual day to day requiements

Oooh! You’re such a cynic [emoji6]
Don’t forget the trip to the Pilates class....

[Steve509926]

Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

Oooh! You’re such a cynic [emoji6]
Don’t forget the trip to the Pilates class....

That's so last year, "Hot Yoga" is the in thing now