Sorry it is illegal to fill your boat at our petrol station! - Page 2

Nyarla · 14 February 2005, 18:51

Thanks Brian.
However the boat is not kept at my address and if Sainsburys want to send a hit team round, they have my address anyway.
In addition I am new to the forums and have as yet failed to work out how to edit a post.
However if any Ribnet people wish to visit I have no problems as yet with that

All other people will discover that I have DOGS and am just in reciept of a new speargun for eco friendly fishing.
See Bond movies for what a speargun can do to people not wanted on site.

richie · 14 February 2005, 19:07

I know that our local lifeboat crew have to go to the filling station with 5 litre plastic containers to fill their atlantic 75.It seems silly but i think that is the way the RNLI want it done,If it is for legal reasons or not i do not know.As far as I know they can not even fill 20 litre containers.I know they are not going to put the lifeboat on the trailer every time to fill the tanks but they should at least be able to fill from 20 litre containers.Does anyone know if this sounds even half right or not?.As for me I know i'd be pretty pis### off if my petrol station told me I couldn't fill my boat from the pumps.

Wayne Rogers · 14 February 2005, 20:32

Had a similar experience at Sainsburys,went in to fill up 3x 20ltr petrol tanks and they told me I was only allowed to fill two of them,they told me it was against the law because of the fire hazard.when I sent my son to another pump with the third tank they said you'll have to carry off the forecourt and put it in your car away from the petrol station.I think it was something to do with Jobsworth.

ADS · 15 February 2005, 08:48

I am lucky enough to be able to keep the RIB at home, so when i go to get petrol I just go in the car. At the Total gargage near me, they are not keen on filling plastic containers, but I just put my 2x 25 litres on the floor behind the car and fill them up there and put them straight in the boot. The assistant can't see from the window and she thinks I am filling up the car! It fails to cross her mind that I ve have just put 50 litres of unleaded into a diesel

Alex

MeMe · 15 February 2005, 08:49

.......letter. Well posed. Please keep us informed. I would expect a decent reply from Sainsburys - should prove interesting.

Bilge Rat · 15 February 2005, 12:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeMe

.......letter. Well posed. Please keep us informed. I would expect a decent reply from Sainsburys - should prove interesting.

No Sainsburys usual response is to send out vouchers and maybe a letter of appology, try complaining at the customer services desk that the joint of meat you had for Sunday dinner yesterday was as tough as old boots, show them the reciept for it and they will either refund the money or give you vouchers without question, trust me i know this happens

if you wana know how i know PM me

MeMe · 15 February 2005, 12:59

..some flowers lasting no more than a few days. I only made the comment in passing to the girl on the check out and she told me to complain to Customer Services. For the hell of it I did and she gave me 3 big boquets free of charge - no reciept - no forms, just here you go, have a nice day.

Last night I wen to B&Q to buy a wallpaper pasting table (£7.50), anyway, when I got to the counter I noticed some of the staples holding the board in place had popped out - no big deal - bash em back with a hammer. Anyway, the girl said, oh dear, hold on a minute and she buzzed her line manager who came over and said - would £2.50 be ok ? 3 bashes later and it was as good as new - unbelievable !!!!!

Dave B · 15 February 2005, 13:21

No problems here in the Isle of Man with fueling up, many of the garages stock red diesel (and our red is just normal road derv with dye added if it is Shell ) You could fill a shopping bag with petrol if it would hold the fuel. Seems like mobile phones have no effect here either, I have seen phone calls made at the same time as the tank is filled. and more than once. If you hear a big bang it is only the IOM going in to orbit.

Must go and fill this cardboard box with petrol for the lawn mower.

I may put the cig out this time

Paul F · 15 February 2005, 17:18

We filled Mikes new boat up today to callibrate guages, just under 400 litres from Texaco, no probs except the dent in mike bank account.
Paul

ribrunt · 15 February 2005, 19:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by richie

I know that our local lifeboat crew have to go to the filling station with 5 litre plastic containers to fill their atlantic 75.

Can't speak for Sainsbury-land but allowed 300L max in one storage location in 10L steel cans only. No filling dodgy milk cartons, former plastic chemical drums, etc. So your comment above is probably based on green, steel 10L cans used by the crew - as required by RNLI to comply with regs. As you mentioned - A75 is not going to be rolled from station to garage...and all the crew are doing is replenishing stores as station holds a number of cans of fuel anyway. Boat is refuelled ex jerry cans which themselves are topped up later.

Filling fixed tanks is OK.

Cheers

RR.

(PS - Richie - pm me with your location!)

Tim M · 15 February 2005, 20:15

Total are good; I too have never had any trouble with them. Plus their hand car wash works great on my RIB!

Sainsbury's are great; took a punnet of dodgy strawberrys back and they gave me a load of other fruit as "compensation"!

Bollyfish · 15 February 2005, 20:55

What do you do if you're RIB's on the water? Fill 10 x 5 litre cans only to drive 20 yards down the road to pour the whole lot into a bigger one? Doesn't it all amount to the same thing?

I found http://www.hants.gov.uk/press/2004/PR1312.html when looking for petrol cans and UK law - it's specifically to do with Hampshire. Needless to say, I haven't yet bothered to phone the Trading Standards number or the other 'helpful' number they have included on the site...yet. I think we might print out a few bits and pieces and stick them in the glovebox for emergencies.

Kathy

keytouch · 15 February 2005, 22:57

Ok well this is what I have been able to find regarding transporting and storing fuel on the RYA website -hope this is of use

RYA Guidance

EDDO · 16 February 2005, 18:50

I emailed the BSS people and this is their reply..

Thank you for your e-mail dated 15 February 2005.
The law governs the carriage of petrol and is regulated by the HSE and
currently limits the number and type of containers to 2 x 5 lts plastic
and /or 1 x 10 lts metal.

We understand that the current review of the Carriage of Petrol
Regulations are currently being reviewed and will likely allow for the
filling of portable outboard motor tanks of up to 27 lts capacity, But
as yet this is not ratified.

Ed

Nyarla · 17 February 2005, 17:12

I have just received two emails. One from Sainsburys and one from HSE.

Dear Mr Bamford,

Thank you for your e-mail.

I am sorry to hear of your experience at your local store recently. I
can understand your frustration and can confirm that you should be
allowed to fill up your boats fuel tank there. I have contacted the
relevant department here and they are going to contact the store involved to
resolve this issue.

Once again thank you for your e-mail and I am truly sorry for any
inconvenience caused by this.

Kind regards,

Amy Hollingworth
Sainsbury's Customer Services

Dear Sir/Madam

Thank you for your enquiry regarding petrol filling requirements.

I have spoken to Peter Roberts in the HSE policy unit for hazardous
substances, who stated that the HSE does not have specific requirements
in
this area. He also stated that it is usually a condition of petroleum
licenses that receptacles for fuel are suitable, but otherwise the
decision
that has been taken may be a policy choice by the petrol retailer.

I hope this helps, but if you require further assistance, please do not
hesitate to contact this address again or telephone HSE Infoline on
08701
545500.

Yours sincerely

Andrew Regal

HSE Infoline

The HSE is not very usefull but the Sainsburys is good news.

I am going to ask Sainsburys to send me the info in writing by Snail mail so I have a hardcopy.

jwalker · 17 February 2005, 21:04

I think that is looks like a result. Well done you.

MikeCC · 06 June 2006, 18:45

Well over a year later, Sainsbury's have either changed their policy or started employing even more f***wits than before.

We occupied two pumps at the Sainsbury's in Hatchwarren, Basingstoke (I mention it specifically so that you can avoid it - please!) Nicky filled up the car while I started filling up the tank on the boat. This isn't a plastic fuel can type but a 95l stainless job bolted into the console.

About 40l in they cut off the pump. But no-one came out to say what's going on. To keep it brief, the duty manager eventually wandered over from the main store to tell me that "we don't have the legislation to allow that" whatever that means. He didn't even want to come and look at the tank!

We were already running late, so just advised them we wouldn't be back and paid up. I didn't think it was even worth mentioning that a full petrol container is safer than one half-full. Filled up at a Shell station on the A27 for 2p a litre less.

The bonkers thing is that I have filled up two loose plastic 25l cans at the same petrol station with no problem. Guess it just depends which eejit is on duty . .

Limey Linda · 06 June 2006, 19:09

Please consider the following. I live in the USA and own a Chevy Suburban 4wd. with a 5.7 ltr engine. It has a 40gal tank. If I try to fill it from near empty the pump will shut off automatically if I have pre-paid with a credit card, at a certain $/pound limit. This is because of a "setting" the station enters into their system to prevent theft of large amounts of petrol etc. The solution is to shut down and start all over again to "top off" your tank. The duty manager of the station is clearly a bozo. Hope this helps.

MikeCC · 06 June 2006, 19:32

Oh no, they just cut it off manually because they're too stupid to sell petrol. Normally can go to 100l / 22gal before auto cut off.

Hightower · 06 June 2006, 20:01

If it was me and I had some time, I would sit at the two pumps just to hack off the attendants untill they switched it back on again. Trouble is you wouldn't get any sympathy from your fellow motorist for it.