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Old 02 March 2021, 14:39   #1
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Orange petrol

Will copper make petrol turn orange?

Pulled the fuel supply module apart this evening to replace the failing lift pump and noticed the fuel in it had turned orange.
It’s been sat in it for a few months and the only reason I can think for it would be the spigot of the pump is copper and the copper terminals.

Edit: I suppose it could also be the pvc cables





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Old 02 March 2021, 15:34   #2
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Took some out or a geni been there10 years it’s gone stale and wouldn’t fire up new fuel in started 2nd pull I use mine for cleaning oil grease off stuff
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Old 02 March 2021, 16:15   #3
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Took some out or a geni been there10 years itís gone stale and wouldnít fire up new fuel in started 2nd pull I use mine for cleaning oil grease off stuff
This has only been in there since October, Iím hoping the 200 plus litres in the tank isnít like this or Iíll have a lifetimes supply for cleaning
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Smell it you will know if it’s stale it might just be staining but that would worry me as something is breaking down
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I've only ever seen that with petrol left a decade or more in a metal can.
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I got some out of my motorbike same colour and that had been in the tank for 3 years
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Smell it you will know if itís stale it might just be staining but that would worry me as something is breaking down
I donít think itís stale, smells fine, just donít understand why itís orange! Never seen anything like it before.

Iím sure the petrol in the main tank is fine, this was just in the fuel supply module on the back of the engine. Hold maybe a litre max.
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i have just bought a aux outboard that had been stood 3 years and wouldnt start and that is exactly the colour the fuel in it was .smelt like varnish too flushed it out and cleaned the carb and it started first pull
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i know its garden machinery but same problems with fuel if you go more about aspen fuel it goes into boats too for info


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Will copper make petrol turn orange?

Pulled the fuel supply module apart this evening to replace the failing lift pump and noticed the fuel in it had turned orange.
Itís been sat in it for a few months and the only reason I can think for it would be the spigot of the pump is copper and the copper terminals.

Edit: I suppose it could also be the pvc cables





That is pretty common in classics cars.

At some stage in its life, old fuel has been allowed to evaporate which leaves an orange coloured deposit.
When new fuel is added the deposits dissolve into the fuel, turning it orange. Unless the tank is cleaned, the orange tint can last for quite a long time. It has no detrimental effect on the fuel.
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if the fuel that you are using has animal rendered bio constituents then the shelf life is less than six months.Adding fresh will help somewhat but not like it used to. I spend my evenings stripping carbs from outboards down to hedge strimmers,the last few years has seen a huge increase in evaporated fuel deposits.
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if the fuel that you are using has animal rendered bio constituents....


Does petrol contain animal derived bio fuel? I thought it was plant derived ethanol that was the ďbioĒ ingredient in petrol. I know diesel can contain animal fat (I bet the vegans donít know that) but I didnít know petrol did.
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Does petrol contain animal derived bio fuel? I thought it was plant derived ethanol that was the ďbioĒ ingredient in petrol. I know diesel can contain animal fat (I bet the vegans donít know that) but I didnít know petrol did.
Is any biodiesel on the market today actually made from animal fat?

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Is any biodiesel on the market today actually made from animal fat?
Dunno, but it:- can, could, might, feasibly, possibly do

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As long as they're Bio porkies..........
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Dunno, but it:- can, could, might, feasibly, possibly do
I wonder who will open the first vegan diesel pump
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i dont think its deposits from the tank or colouring from copper .i went to check on my rib at the boat yard yesterday and the fuel in the clear water bowl on the filter had an orange look about it .its been stood under cover since october .i fired it up on muffs and within a few mins the fuel in the bowl was back to the almost clear fuel colour . its a 1 year old stainless tank and a 1 year old racor filter unit so i doubt any deposits are present .i put a couple of bottles of fuel stabaliser in the tank when i laid it up but dont know if any of the treated fuel would have got into the filter .a guy i was talking too at the yard reckoned its just the ethanol in the fuel that causes it and it will be worse when we go onto e10
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Is any biodiesel on the market today actually made from animal fat?

I think our Irish correspondent is telling porkies
Pork I am not sure about ,but rendered animal fats \Tallow and their distilled derivatives are added to ,not made from to petrol in order to comply with the EU directives on Bio fuel..I have that Information from someone who works in a refinry. and for some more useless information the next time you sip some of the worlds so called best whiskeys ,it too may be fermented from rendered animal fat and not the grains printed on the label. The RAC website actually give the shelflife of petrol as low as three months in certain cases but maybe they are telling PORKIES as well.
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