MAIB safety Digest

[HDAV]

https://assets.publishing.service.go...fetyDigest.pdf

Couple of RIB related incidents in the final section "Recreational craft" and worth reading. Dangers of loose clothing, boat wakes and small lakes.......

[Ferryman]

That passenger rib looks horrendous - IMO it shouldn’t have been coded. There’s a reason that you get people back from the suicide seat before opening the throttle!

[Poly]

Originally Posted by Ferryman

That passenger rib looks horrendous - IMO it shouldn’t have been coded. There’s a reason that you get people back from the suicide seat before opening the throttle!

Refusing coding because the assessor doesn't think its a good idea is a slippery slope - if there is a fundamental issue such as each person requiring to have a proper seat, a backrest and a handhold that needs written into the code. Of course then you have to remember that the code is very broad and covers many use cases, from thrill rides to small ferries, to workboats or diveboats, to leisure based charter, film and survey work etc. One size doesn't fit all, and the responsibility for deciding if a vessel is suitable for the task really should rest with the operator and the skipper not a surveyor who has no context of the marketing or charter on the day etc.

[GuyC]

I generally find the reports quite interesting and the reasons are often quite similar - sensors inoperative, alarms disconnected etc. Many of the incidents are compounded by people's actions or inactions but it's down to the design community to try and mitigate these aspects of human nature preferably before legislation gets involved.

I read the report regarding the near miss between the submarine and the ferry. A billion pound submarine and it can't determine how fast or how far away a 'target' is!

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by GuyC

I read the report regarding the near miss between the submarine and the ferry. A billion pound submarine and it can't determine how fast or how far away a 'target' is!

It’s a naval tradition [emoji849]

Nuclear submarine HMS Astute runs aground off Skye http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...lands-11605365

[Ferryman]

Originally Posted by Poly

Refusing coding because the assessor doesn't think its a good idea is a slippery slope - if there is a fundamental issue such as each person requiring to have a proper seat, a backrest and a handhold that needs written into the code. Of course then you have to remember that the code is very broad and covers many use cases, from thrill rides to small ferries, to workboats or diveboats, to leisure based charter, film and survey work etc. One size doesn't fit all, and the responsibility for deciding if a vessel is suitable for the task really should rest with the operator and the skipper not a surveyor who has no context of the marketing or charter on the day etc.

Let me rephrase that - it shouldn’t be carrying passengers anywhere they might find a wave! 🤷

[HDAV]

That’s the point though the harbour tour clinker that does 5knts and has wooden bench seats is a bit different to the 60knt rib high speed experience

[willk]

Originally Posted by GuyC

I read the report regarding the near miss between the submarine and the ferry. A billion pound submarine and it can't determine how fast or how far away a 'target' is!

Possibly skippered by someone who's judgement call was that a BBQ on the dock during lockdown would be OK?

IMVHO, submarines and Russian survelliance planes don't mix well with civilian traffic - they just have different objectives and methodologies...

[Matt]

I always find those safety digests interesting. Not just the recreational stuff; all of it.

There is often a pattern of repetition - e.g. just bought the boat, keen to use it, overloads it, capsizes. Many years ago now, but calculating basic stability of a ship was a first year subject when I studied it. It was interesting how suddenly quiet some of the ex fishing crew on the course became when they realised that the favoured fishing boats they'd been crewing on commercially that were a "gentle ride" was in some cases because they were unstable and the more rocky boats were the safer ones....

[willk]

Originally Posted by willk

Possibly skippered by someone who's judgement call was that a BBQ on the dock during lockdown would be OK?

Another submariner (WEPS) falls foul of the dreaded BBQ - Today's news:
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/1...-hms-vigilant/

"A British Royal Navy officer has been sent home from a submarine after he arrived at work to take charge of nuclear missiles while unfit for duty.

Lieutenant Commander Len Louw is facing an investigation after being sent back to Faslane in Scotland following the incident in the US.

Colleagues raised concerns when the weapons engineering officer arrived for work at HMS Vigilant while it was docked at the US navy's Kings Bay base in Camden County, Georgia for maintenance.

It is understood he had been drinking the night before and was carrying a bag of leftover grilled chicken from a barbecue for his lunch.

He was declared unfit for duty and was sent home pending an investigation following the incident more than a month ago.

The weapons engineering officer is responsible for all weapons and sensors on board the vessel."

'Strewth!

[GuyC]

That'll teach him for going out drinking with the ME department!

I've made this comment notwithstanding a previous, via a quick Google, tragedy in his life.

Less condemnation here though and worth a general read - https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/th...r-duty.302214/