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Old 27 July 2007, 11:23   #1
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Fuel Price

Do we have a fuel price watch on here?
What's the best price on the water in the Solent?
I dont want to stick the boat on a trailer with lights and stuff!!
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Old 27 July 2007, 12:05   #2
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I filled up with 190.83 litres last Saturday at Lymington Yacht Haven which cost me £198.47 so I make that £1.04 per litre. That's after their discount for 100+ litres.
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Dodgy fuel

Here in France, unleaded 95 is currently 1.27 Euros a litre or 85p. At the quayside it's about 20cts or 13p more. Diesel of course is VERY cheap! Just 1.05E or 70p a litre. Red diesel is 43p a litre.

Was curious if anyone ever had any problems with quayside fuel, as this comes from tanks which may not be used/cleaned as often as normal petrol station ones. Any petrol kept longer than 30 days is prone to oxydise and deteriorate. I use fuel stabiliser almost all year round now in my boat and in all my garden tools as I have had problems in the past.

Another issue is the summer/winter spec. As of mid autumn, Euro gasoline goes from low RVP (Reid Vapour Pressure = volatility) to high RVP. This then allows easier starting in cold temperatures. Low summer RVP prevents vapour lock. So if filling up in spring or autumn, make sure it comes from a well used tank as you may still be getting previous season spec.
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Our road diesel is about 95p per lire.

Our petrol price WITHOUT tax is about 35p per litre - I could live with that!!!
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Filled up Saturday from the QE2 Marina station
67p pr litre and 51p for diesel.
Hope this helps..........
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Is France keeping their red diesel?
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Old 27 July 2007, 17:20   #7
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red diesel

Yes, France is keeping their red diesel. It is used to heat many French homes, so they could not really do without it. In fact you can even buy it at the pump at the local service station......obviously you are not allowed to put it into your car fuel tank......!!

I use it to heat the house and to power/fuel my mower which runs on diesel. It is 0.2% sulphur as opposed to 0.05% for normal road DERV. Cetane index and number are also lower than for road DERV so I wouldn't use it for my diesel car, even if I was tempted....!

UK homes that are heated by oil are in fact using kerosene, not diesel. This is historically due to Aga's etc. that required a lighter viscosity oil than diesel. But....it costs more as you're competing with Ryanair, Easyjet, etc...!
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I just filled up my car with diesel at Carrefour Gandia, Spain for 91 c per litre, or 61 ppl. Reg Unleaded is 1.1 e ppl, or 73 ppl.

Sorry to anyone affected by the UK floods - it last rained here in May! 32 degrees c as I write this at 8pm.

Cheers all, pack your snorkelling stuff & grab yourself a cheap holiday.
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The price at Haslar varies. Sometimes its 99 or there abouts, sometimes its 105ish. Last time I went to Port Solent it was cheaper there. Weird since it's the same marina company and it's just up the water.
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I just filled up my car with diesel at Carrefour Gandia, Spain for 91 c per litre, or 61 ppl. Reg Unleaded is 1.1 e ppl, or 73 ppl.

Sorry to anyone affected by the UK floods - it last rained here in May! 32 degrees c as I write this at 8pm.

Cheers all, pack your snorkelling stuff & grab yourself a cheap holiday.


And remember in Spain there is NO road tax as it's already on the fuel....
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Yes, France is keeping their red diesel. It is used to heat many French homes, so they could not really do without it. In fact you can even buy it at the pump at the local service station......obviously you are not allowed to put it into your car fuel tank......!!

I use it to heat the house and to power/fuel my mower which runs on diesel. It is 0.2% sulphur as opposed to 0.05% for normal road DERV. Cetane index and number are also lower than for road DERV so I wouldn't use it for my diesel car, even if I was tempted....!

UK homes that are heated by oil are in fact using kerosene, not diesel. This is historically due to Aga's etc. that required a lighter viscosity oil than diesel. But....it costs more as you're competing with Ryanair, Easyjet, etc...!
Will you still be allowed to use Red Diesel in a boat in France?
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As far as I know yes, but I'm no authority on French government policy!

I suppose if the UK is phasing out red diesel for boats, then as per the European thing, then France may be obliged to do the same.

But the French do not accept this sort of thing lightly...! I have a hard time imagining them giving up such a big tax break.

And as for the fishing industry.....forget it!

(Who already get EXTRA tax breaks on top of normal red diesel!)
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As far as I know yes, but I'm no authority on French government policy!

I suppose if the UK is phasing out red diesel for boats, then as per the European thing, then France may be obliged to do the same.

But the French do not accept this sort of thing lightly...! I have a hard time imagining them giving up such a big tax break.

And as for the fishing industry.....forget it!

(Who already get EXTRA tax breaks on top of normal red diesel!)
commercial users will still get red diesel anyway
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Most European countries just ignores any laws they don't like. Of course Gordon Blair and his minions will not only take up the law but plaster a load of their own legislation on top!!!
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Petrol at the moment 96p a litre but if legislation of red petrol gets through the ministry we could see around 65p a litre

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commercial users will still get red diesel anyway
Will they? Do you have a reference for this?

I haven't found anything to say whether commercial users will still have red diesel, or if they will have to use white and claim the duty back (as they do with petrol).

It won't make any difference to the price that leisure users pay, but it could make a big difference to the availability of fuel.

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Old 30 July 2007, 09:49   #17
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Filled up Saturday from the QE2 Marina station
67p pr litre and 51p for diesel.
Hope this helps..........
How much does it cost to power over to your wonderful Island, and how many Jerry cans can I fill?
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Petrol 49p per litre & 47p per litre for diesel.
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Red diesel update from Government

Following talks between leisure boat representative bodies and HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) yesterday (26 July) it looks possible that changes in the pricing of marine diesel will not have an adverse affect on its availability to recreational boaters.

HMRC have prepared a number of options for the implementation of the new regime for duty payments on red diesel used by private recreational craft. According to officials, its preferred option is to retain the red diesel pumps for both recreational boaters and commercial operators to use. Recreational boaters will have to pay the full duty rate. Commercial operators will continue to get the current reduced and exempt rates of duty.

Speaking today Neil Northmore, RYA Government Affairs Adviser said: "This is good news for recreational boating. HMRC have taken on board all the key issues that we presented to them including tank cleaning, availability and safety issues, and have incorporated them into the proposed options. Their preferred option takes direct account of the concerns that we have voiced over availability".

Customs officials confirmed they would be launching a consultation document week commencing 30 July.

Members of the public, boating organisations and the marine industry will be invited to make their comments.

A link will be set up on the RYA website to the Government's site once the consultation has opened.

The consultation will give respondents until the end of October to provide feedback on a number of options that Government is considering to implement the decision. HMRC will then develop legislation, based on a preferred option, in order to implement the decision by 1 November 2008, as announced in this year's Budget Statement.

Speaking today, the BMF's Executive Director, Howard Pridding said: "It is obvious from yesterday's meeting that Customs Officials have put in a lot of hard work over recent months to develop workable options for implementation.

"They appear to have listened hard to the concerns that have been put forward by the BMF, RYA and our partner representatives of the industry and boat user. I am confident that when we see the consultation document next week that it will contain options that will look to minimise the impact and potential for financial burden on the industry".

The RYA and BMF (British Marine Federation) have asked for a full explanation as to why recreational boaters must pay the full road duty rate for marine diesel and HMRC have agreed to provide this.
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My God common sense at last from the government??? Maybe they were speaking the truth when they said they didn't want this brought in.

I wonder how easy it will be to tell which bit of red diesel is which...........
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