Boat delivery

[DM]

Originally Posted by Jono

for worship

That's it then. If Hard1 sticks a couple of minarets and a prayer mat on his trailer and travels in the direction of Mecca at 0600 every day, he's sorted.

DM

[Jono]

Originally Posted by jwalker

I wasn't being cheeky, I was asking. Are you limited to 40?

You could give me more info too re the 11500kg. If I had a camper which weighed 4500kg and I stuck a 3500kg trailer on the back, could I get around the 7500kg limit of me normal licence?

Soory Jeff.. I've *ahem* Fecked up... The MOT bit still applies, but now you need C for anthing over 7,500 KG MAM or C+E if you want to tow over 750KG behind it... fortunately it doesn't bother me since I have the right licence.. hence my sloppy research..

I will check, but the C1+E is MTW of 8,250 I think.. but in light of my last faux pas.. I'll check in the morning..

[hard1]

Originally Posted by Jono

What do you need to "downplate" an old Fire Pump for?

I just love the way they say that the courts will decide what the actual interpretation of the law is. Looks like Highways agency didn't understand it either!

OK the Fire Pump is going to be downplated so that it can be driven by a car licence holder, this is another area which is hard to get any info on, but first, I understand, it has to be weighed, and should weigh not more than 7,500 kgs. Here we go again !!!!

[hard1]

Originally Posted by Jono

Soory Jeff.. I've *ahem* Fecked up... The MOT bit still applies, but now you need C for anthing over 7,500 KG MAM or C+E if you want to tow over 750KG behind it... fortunately it doesn't bother me since I have the right licence.. hence my sloppy research..

I will check, but the C1+E is MTW of 8,250 I think.. but in light of my last faux pas.. I'll check in the morning..

C+E is Arctic. C1+E is 12,000kg - truck + trailer. I also have this licence as will anyone before 1997 I think.

[hard1]

Originally Posted by jwalker

I wasn't being cheeky, I was asking. Are you limited to 40?

You could give me more info too re the 11500kg. If I had a camper which weighed 4500kg and I stuck a 3500kg trailer on the back, could I get around the 7500kg limit of me normal licence?

According to my licence, if you've got C1+E yes = 12,000kgt for both.

[Jono]

Originally Posted by hard1

C+E is Arctic. C1+E is 12,000kg - truck + trailer. I also have this licence as will anyone before 1997 I think.

Is that the right way round? 107 endorsment applies..

"Lorries between 3500kg and 7500kg with a trailer over 750kg - total weight not more than 12000kg (if you passed your category B test prior to 1.1.1997 you will be restricted to a total weight not more than 8250kg)"

[Mollers]

This has been an interesting thread.

[hard1]

Originally Posted by Jono

Is that the right way round? 107 endorsment applies..

"Lorries between 3500kg and 7500kg with a trailer over 750kg - total weight not more than 12000kg (if you passed your category B test prior to 1.1.1997 you will be restricted to a total weight not more than 8250kg)"

Bugger! Another interpretation? I'm just quoting from my licence is all....and it says 12,000kg for truck and trailer (not arctic). I'm quite sure though that EEC "harmonisation" has caused a few changes in the system since my licence was issued and as the Highways Agency blurb neatly puts it "it is the drivers responsibility to ensure compliance".

Blimey, this is soooo easy. (not)

[hard1]

Originally Posted by Mollulnan

This has been an interesting thread.

Well yes, I totally agree that this thread is an insmonia cure, but, as many here tow their boats regularly, they may well be inviting trouble from VOSA if they don't (as I clearly don't) really understand their new rules on towing. VOSA are very active on major routes with police like cars and VOSA written across the bonnet. They are sited near weighbridges and I have personally seen them pulling over towing units for weighing, including holiday makers in Mondeos towing their weekend caravans, boat owners and pikeys with dual cab Transits and their mobile home stuff on the back. A little time and info exchange here might well save you some points on your licence and the impounding of your boat, or didn't you realise what powers they have now?

[DJL]

Originally Posted by hard1

I'm just quoting from my licence is all....and it says 12,000kg

Take alook at this - http://www.dvla.gov.uk/drivers/vehicle_cat_desc.htm

[The Jackeens]

Originally Posted by Tim M

Indeed; I got a trailer as part of the deal too.

Congrats Tim M

Us

[Jono]

Originally Posted by DJL

Take alook at this - http://www.dvla.gov.uk/drivers/vehicle_cat_desc.htm

Good link, but it's not the full picture...if you look to the right of your photocard licence there may be some other codes such as 107, 101 Etc..

These further restrict your licence entitlement

For instance C+E is NOT always articulated Goods vehicles. It means Large Goods Vehicle towing a trailer and if it has a code alongside it (102) it means DRAWBAR trailers only.. not 5th wheel type.. C1 +E (with a code of 107) Means limited to 8,250 Kg not 12,000 Kg..Read 'em carefully boys'n girls.. or prepare to bluff the Police Officer who pulls you...'cause he may not know either... also if you send your licence off for any reason, make sure it comes back with the right entitlement. Swansea are quite sloppy and it's a bugger to get 'em back. You also need, where appropriate to make sure they transfer your rights for Minibus..

[John Kennett]

Originally Posted by Jono

Good link, but it's not the full picture...if you look to the right of your photocard licence there may be some other codes such as 107, 101 Etc..

These further restrict your licence entitlement

To make things even less helpful, the codes aren't explained anywhere on your licence! It even took me a while to find them on the DVLA web site! http://www.dvla.gov.uk/drivers/information_codes.htm

For instance C+E is NOT always articulated Goods vehicles. It means Large Goods Vehicle towing a trailer and if it has a code alongside it (102) it means DRAWBAR trailers only.. not 5th wheel type..

Generally though, the distinction between artics and other trailers disppeared with the old HGV I II III licences. Now it's basically either Cat C (rigid vehicle over 7.5 tonnes MAM) or C+E (the same plus trailer whether drawbar or artic).

Is it still possible to do a drawbar test, or is the 102 code purely holders of the old HGV II licence?

John

[DJL]

http://www.dvla.gov.uk/drivers/information_codes.htm

Apparently I’m an organ donor..

Just booked up for some B+E lessons - you lucky old people

edit: too slow

[Nos4r2]

Originally Posted by John Kennett

To make things even less helpful, the codes aren't explained anywhere on your licence! It even took me a while to find them on the DVLA web site! http://www.dvla.gov.uk/drivers/information_codes.htmGenerally though, the distinction between artics and other trailers disppeared with the old HGV I II III licences. Now it's basically either Cat C (rigid vehicle over 7.5 tonnes MAM) or C+E (the same plus trailer whether drawbar or artic).

Is it still possible to do a drawbar test, or is the 102 code purely holders of the old HGV II licence?

John

If you do a test with a drawbar now you get a c+e licence. The 102 restriction is for old hgv 2 drivers with 'grandad rights' as you thought JK

[Jono]

Originally Posted by Nos4r2

If you do a test with a drawbar now you get a c+e licence. The 102 restriction is for old hgv 2 drivers with 'grandad rights' as you thought JK

Or "old" Class three drivers like what I am... class three that is ..not OLD.... OK?

[laser]

there is a letter about this in this months, yachts and yachting and it is explained very clearly, ill get it up here, when i get a moment.

[biff]

Originally Posted by Tim M

Can anyone recommomend a company/person whoes reasonably priced when it comes to towing boats, in the Solent/Midlands/North/East of England....

Try mick (dive right) for the northeast 07737342893

[biff]

Originally Posted by Tim M

Can anyone recommomend a company/person whoes reasonably priced when it comes to towing boats, in the Solent/Midlands/North/East of England....

mick bacon from dive right(northeast) highly recomended 07737342893

[Tim M]

Thanks Biff but it's all sorted now