Another sad accident.

Phil Chitty · 25 August 2004, 15:16

I guess even the professionals make mistakes.

Can't hazard a guess as to the cause of this but I would be interested if anyone out there has any more knowledge of this incident.

Phil

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...de/3597508.stm

Jelly · 25 August 2004, 15:20

Phil
I saw this earlier, interesting that she was a passenger earlier, do they mean she fell out? or was being picked up again?
Well another one for the MAIB I suspect.
James

slimtim · 25 August 2004, 15:43

At my local surf beach on the IOW it seems someone has decided to employ a surf rescue bloke on a Jetski. All he does all day is burn around wasting fuel jumping off waves and weaving through surfers. When its choppy someones head could quite easily be be hidden behind a wave. He doesn't ever seem to be watching the swimmers and surfers.

In Newquay they have RNLI beach rescue people but I saw them driving around like nutters in their small inflatable, weaving very fast and very close to swimmers and surfers. Sometimes driving straight towards people and only turning away at the last second. They certainly didn't seem to be doing anything constructive.

I'm certainly not saying all beach rescue people are like this and I hope that what I have seen were only one offs, but it makes you think.

Lets hope the girl is ok.

Tim

Phil Chitty · 25 August 2004, 15:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jelly

Phil
I saw this earlier, interesting that she was a passenger earlier, do they mean she fell out? or was being picked up again?
Well another one for the MAIB I suspect.
James

James

I'm not sure. Theres no indication in the report what she was doing in the boat. I'm presuming that she was being given a ride out. That may also be an indication as to why the crew were suspended.

Phil

Mr-d · 25 August 2004, 16:30

Erk, how can this have happend? someone clearly hasn't paid attention to where he was going/how he was going there.

Maybe its time to fit all rescue boats with Jet. Or one of these stupid Prop guards...

Graham H · 25 August 2004, 16:32

I would have thought the outboard would have had a prop gard on like most small rescue boats
Graham

codprawn · 25 August 2004, 17:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr-d

Erk, how can this have happend? someone clearly hasn't paid attention to where he was going/how he was going there.

Maybe its time to fit all rescue boats with Jet. Or one of these stupid Prop guards...

Or better still a different crew!

Richard B · 25 August 2004, 22:19

Hmmm.... first thing to do if there's anyone in the water at the stern of a RIB with unguarded props is kill the engine.

Mr-d · 25 August 2004, 23:29

Only if the victim has fallen overboard at a slow speed, or sitting still.

I was told to... If the victim falls overboard at high speed on the left side, steer to the right (propellor will face other way) if victim goes overboard on right, steer left, blast away, have someone point at the victim.
Go round and come up behind the victim( against tide or wind, whichever is stronger), slow right down and put into neutral and approach... as soon as someone has hold, kill engine, as soon as they loose sight of victim, kill engine.

Is this to RYA textbook standards?

jackeen · 26 August 2004, 00:20

Very sad indeed. I do hope the girl recovers ok and I can only imagine what her and her parents have gone through.

and I agree Phil the pros can make mistakes also and hopefully something positive comes out of it apart from a possible witch hunt.

a friend of mine witnessed the death at the soto boat show a few years back while on his boat close by and he still relives what happened there.

p

EdwardH · 26 August 2004, 01:12

all the rescue sibs and ribs here have prop guards a la Zap cats...

i would have thought all the uk ones would have done too so i wonder if she actually got 'caught in the prop' or hit by the mesh. either way - not nice at all...

ribrunt · 26 August 2004, 08:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr-d

I was told to... If the victim falls overboard at high speed on the left side, steer to the right (propellor will face other way) if victim goes overboard on right, steer left, blast away,

Oh dear. Always, always, always, always, steer towards the MOB. Reason? Pivot point. MOB to STB, you steer to port, stern (and nasty rotating things) swings to...stb.

Rest of drill appears right - shout MOB, steer towards, large fast arc to arrive 100 yrds downwind, approach slowly, final coast in neutral, some advise turning off o/b when contact made with MOB.

Cheers

Ribrunt.

Jon Brooks · 26 August 2004, 08:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr-d

Only if the victim has fallen overboard at a slow speed, or sitting still.

I was told to... If the victim falls overboard at high speed on the left side, steer to the right (propellor will face other way) if victim goes overboard on right, steer left, blast away, have someone point at the victim.
Go round and come up behind the victim( against tide or wind, whichever is stronger), slow right down and put into neutral and approach... as soon as someone has hold, kill engine, as soon as they loose sight of victim, kill engine.

Is this to RYA textbook standards?

The Pick and recovery seem standard MOB drill.
I wonder if these guys and girls have to do there RYA safety boat course.

Whilst on a local beach saw the young crew out in their little rib.
Again looning and not very good.
Worried me so much I went and had a "word the their shell likes"
The did seem to calm down and stop the weaving after that.

IMHO the insore boats should have Prop Guards.
It wone effect the perfomnace for the role they have but it could well save a life.

I have been asked to join the WASP team here in Herne Bay (Water and Shore Patrol)
They use a nice White Shark boat.
From wot I have seen and the time I have spent with them the seem sensible but have not met all the crews yet!

Regards

SteveHall · 26 August 2004, 08:51

I work on rescue at a lake part time and it amazes me the fact that when its sunny or school holidays how many people we have that swim in the lake, even tho there is no swimming allowed.

We have people swimming in and around the harbours and boats and they don't seem to understand that there is a prop on the back of the boat, and you ask them what makes the boat move and they just give us stupid comments.

This is the sort of things and people that we have to put up with - was there for 4 hours contending with yobs and abuse, constantly looking into the harbour where they were swimming and tipping over boats, as you know that if you hit them then its you that will be suspended etc
http://www.rochdaleobserver.co.uk/ne..._id=21028.html

codprawn · 26 August 2004, 09:50

In the article it said the police had "other commitments" more like not enough man power due to chasing people in quads with a police helicopter becausing they were driving across common land!

The Jackeens · 26 August 2004, 09:56

Huge respect for emergency services. I don't know how you do what you do.
So many are members here too.

Missus

SteveHall · 26 August 2004, 10:13

when the police turned up they had all moved on as they had trashed everything, but if they were still there they sent one police woman by her self and there was 30+ lads there - tad out numbered i think

It took 9 of us 4 hours to keep on top of things, we had 5 people on the harbour trying to keep everyone off the boats and tied up and 4 of us in ribs catching everything and mooring it up in the middle lake. It was just pure vandalism, they launched about 20 toppers and over turned sailing boats, sunk canoes and let every other boat they could not sink or overturn out into the lake.

codprawn · 26 August 2004, 11:00

It makes me sick when people do things like this - and what is the governments solution? To bring in yet more laws! Haven't they realised that it is having too many laws that causes the problems? Once upon a time you could have dealt with such people and the problem would have been sorted - now you would get in more trouble than them!

Bajan · 26 August 2004, 22:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr-d

Only if the victim has fallen overboard at a slow speed, or sitting still.

I was told to... If the victim falls overboard at high speed on the left side, steer to the right (propellor will face other way) if victim goes overboard on right, steer left, blast away, have someone point at the victim.
Go round and come up behind the victim( against tide or wind, whichever is stronger), slow right down and put into neutral and approach... as soon as someone has hold, kill engine, as soon as they loose sight of victim, kill engine.

Is this to RYA textbook standards?

I could be speaking well out of line, but I thought that if someone fell overboard, the operator should steer to the same side as the MOB in order to cast the prop away from the victim. Am I missing something???

Bajan · 26 August 2004, 22:07

Oops!!
Sorry, I missed everything after that post. Keyboard silence from the Bajan corner.