Accidents no longer exist

[Scary Des]

Originally Posted by eupa

Is it time yet Boss?... Is it?

read Luke chapter 21-22- you might find out something you dont know

Yea and if you play the smurfs Christmas record backwards butterflies die in the Amazon Des

[Nick Hearne]

Originally Posted by eupa

Yer & the same goes for the Beano!

was that the level of your educational achievement??

Education, no did not get past Jack & Jill!

[eupa]

These posts are not about my belief in Jesus Christ/ or Nick Hearns educational level/or about somebody wanting to know about the end of the world- its about Safety at Sea- so lets keep to the subject.

Subjectively, and I repeat subjectively there seems to be a lot of accidents
involving ribs and this can't to be right. Currently it is relatively un-regulated, and I believe it should stay like that- but there are minimums that people should adopt- training, rib and engine maintenance, navigation, laws of the sea ect..If "accidents" continue, the whole thing will end up being super regulated and that would be a pity to all concerned. Period.

Jonathan

[thebigrib]

accidents sometimes are never avoidable however many can be avoided by simple procedures and taking little danderous risks. that does not mean we all cant have a great time ribbing. and for the video clip and reading some of his stories i think rob jones is playing on the edge of fun and danger, a bit foolish even it does look cool.

[codprawn]

It's HIS neck anyway............

[Charles]

Originally Posted by eupa

There was a post some time ago by Rob Jones who showed us a video of jumping off a rib at 30 mph " for the fun of it ". That was just stupidity, If you get grown-ups doing that, how can you expect kids to behave in a responsable manner?
Jonathan

Originally Posted by thebigrib

i think rob jones is playing on the edge of fun and danger, a bit foolish even it does look cool.

Geeez, all of you go wrap yourselves in cotton-wool and stay in bed!

[Pete7]

Originally Posted by ct01

Geeez, all of you go wrap yourselves in cotton-wool and stay in bed!

Hopefully that way there will be plenty of space in all those great little harbours for the rest of us and fewer ribs in the Solent (Town Quay during Cowes week was astonishing, full of ribs everywhere)

[Rob Jones]

Hey All,

As I appear to be pivotal to this discussion I figured I should put my 2 pennies worth in.

Im not here for a long time - none of us are, if we spend our days worrying about what might happen how are we ever going to enjoy the simple things in life.

Worry about things you cant control - like a drunk driver killing your child on the way to school (apologies if this has happened to anybody).

I cannot see any difference in jumping from the boat or falling off some water-ski's. I have been a RIB owner since January, and in those few short months I have experienced some truly amazing sights. From learning to wakeboard with 2 bottle nosed dolphins buzzing around in Cornwall or a solo crossing to the scillies in 15ft seas. These are the things you will take to the grave with you, of course you could spend the rest of your days polishing that boat cutting around with tales of derring do - but only you know that in reality fear will always get the better of you.

Remember fear is only an emotion, just like stress or tiredness, take that emotion out of the task in hand, ensure you have covered all bases - and just do it.

[Biggles]

Accidents Don't happen with New Labour.

However everbody please remember you can die whilst just launching your boat.

Its very difficult as a skipper taking a boat out, loads of things to remember, and it always seems as the thing you forget to do bites you in the bum.

I'm sorry but most people nowadays want to blame everybody else but themselves.

Just a quick tome from some one sick of old England.

God wish I was back in Europe again.

Clean streets, no potholes, quiet sophisticated nights in pubs, free parking, good food, good beer (We know it as Lager), Sunday as a day of rest, the list is endless.

God I can't wait till I retire and emigrate..................

Beers been talking again.......................

[robin]

Originally Posted by Rob Jones

learning to wakeboard with 2 bottle nosed dolphins

Is this one of 'em?











I'll get my coat.

[codprawn]

BIG hair..........

[Nate]

Thought I'd add a line or two to this thread.

Originally Posted by codprawn

[url]Why is it these days that - no matter what happens - accidents are never just accidents???

You often here of someone being prosecuted for "killing their girlfriend or mate" in a car crash etc. What the hell does it achieve???

The word accident is not useful in terms of understanding the cause of crashes (air, road, rail or sea) largely due to the populist belief that "accidents happen" and are therefore not attributable to human behaviour in the face of danger. In road crash investigation the term accident is often replaced with "rare, random, multi-factored event" purely to allow all the components to be considered without undue emphasis being placed upon the hand of God. This analysis allows for environmental factors (wet road, sharp bend, parked car etc.) to be considered alongside mechanical factors (bald tyre, brake pads down to the metal etc.) and psychological or driver related factors (inexperience, overconfidence, driving too fast and so on). Furthermore, it is possible to break driving mistakes into two broad groups - innocent "errors", arising when circumstances are mis-read and poor judgements made and deliberate "violations", occuring when a driver consciously choses to compromise or disregard the safety of his/herself and others for the sake of perceived advantage or making progress. Clearly the law tries to distinguish the "innocent" mistake from the "deliberate" act of endangerment, with mixed success.

Unfortunately car driving is an inherently safe activity and, whilst not foolproof, is surprisingly idiot friendly. Most of the time "we" get away with it, which is why the granny state has so little success with its tedious road safety campaigns exhorting us to slow down, drink less beer and wear seat belts etc. Nonetheless around 3,500 people will die on the roads each year, a significant number falling victim to deliberate acts of excessive, selfish and ill advised behaviour. Behaviour which was never pursued with the sole regard of causing death or injury, behaviour which has probably been indulged in thousands of times previously, but behaviour which has suddenly resulted in unforseen consequences. Behaviour indeed from which we have every right to be protected.

If we apply this model of human behaviour in potentially dangerous circumstances to ribs / fast water craft etc. we can easily find several significant similarities: it seems very safe, fun and harmless, but things can and do go wrong very quickly - especially when poor judgement, inexperience and or overconfidence play a part.

Cod's question remains - what does prosecution achieve? At the very least prosecution should acknowledge that sometimes innocent mistakes can lead to fatal consequences - such reminders might just be useful to the rest of us. More importantly, where the law can discern that a deliberate act of risk taking resulted in the loss of a life, the full weight of the law should be brought to bear to reflect the seriousness with which we view the crime.

[Richard B]

Originally Posted by Nate

Thought I'd add a line or two to this thread.

Twenty-two, actually!

[Nos4r2]

Originally Posted by Nate

Thought I'd add a line or two to this thread. (quotes Nate's whole post)

Thanks- that's the best,most coherent (and longest) explanation of why not to be a nOBB when it might kill someone that I've ever seen. Any objectio to me copying it (attributable to you)for a road safety forum?

[Nate]

Nos,

please help yourself! If you want to know any more about the "error / violation" stuff pm me - I worked with Professor Steve Stradling at the Transport Research Institute of Napier University who pretty well invented the theory.

[Nos4r2]

Thanks Nate-got your email. Much appreciated!