Which Anchor - Page 2

MatFromPoland · 04 August 2016, 10:48

How can you be sure that on strong wind and waves this weak tie will not break ?

Personally I do prefer more Australian solution.

willk · 04 August 2016, 11:46

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Originally Posted by MatFromPoland

How can you be sure that on strong wind and waves this weak tie will not break ?

For the same reason the Australian anchor doesn't suddenly release? The force is not applied a direction that would break the cabletie/slide the shackle.

IMO, both are for temporary anchoring and easy recovery. I wouldn't use either in an emergency or if leaving a boat unmanned. Big hook and a trip line for me in those situations!

Maximus · 04 August 2016, 11:48

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Originally Posted by MatFromPoland

How can you be sure that on strong wind and waves this weak tie will not break ?

Personally I do prefer more Australian solution.

I've have the same system...and had cause to use it a few times in extreme tides and rough Sea's including those of the Bristol Channel...
If you have a good length (and diameter) of suitable chain... (commensurate with the vessel) coupled with proper length of warp....the load is totally on the the end of the anchor (making it grip) and thus no where near the "weak link"....indeed, when you need to recover the Anchor it takes CONSIDERABLE force to Break the link so you can haul it back on board.

For what it's worth I have found the "Bruce" type plough anchor the best all round....they all do a decent job on Rough Ground...but the Plough I've found to be much supperior in terms of grip on mud and Sand

mick · 04 August 2016, 15:46

Thought the chain was what holds the boat mainly! I'd go for 10 to 15 m of chain

MatFromPoland · 04 August 2016, 16:03

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Originally Posted by Maximus

For what it's worth I have found the "Bruce" type plough anchor the best all round....they all do a decent job on Rough Ground...but the Plough I've found to be much supperior in terms of grip on mud and Sand

Bruce is my favorite one also.

I have been using it in mud (Poland), sand (Greece) and even stones (Greece have a lot of round stones, never used it on rocks.

Never had a problem to pull out Bruce. I think I have 3,5 kg A4 Steel Bruce and 6m of chain weight 5 kg I suppose.

2 times I pulled out my anchor with some old ones left by someone in the Sea and ones it was really big round rock ... (OK like football ball)

Maximus · 04 August 2016, 17:26

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Originally Posted by mick

Thought the chain was what holds the boat mainly! I'd go for 10 to 15 m of chain

The chain is very important Mick

Its what helps make the Anchor work properly.
Balanceing the Anchor Warp and Chain is important,when you REALLY need to Throw the Pin in a tight spot....it's too late to experiment!!
Try a chain on its own on Sand if you think it's the main thing that holds you fast

An anchor warp as well as it being strong...it's a good idea to have a good bit of stretch in it,as it helps absorb the shock in Big Sea.

MatFromPoland · 04 August 2016, 18:22

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chipko · 04 August 2016, 18:32

2kg galv. Bruce type anchor here, 4m chain and 30m warp plus another 30m on board if required. Rigged cable tie trip release if jammed in rocks. All on 3.5 and 3.8m sibs.

mick · 04 August 2016, 19:39

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Originally Posted by Maximus

The chain is very important Mick

Its what helps make the Anchor work properly.
Balanceing the Anchor Warp and Chain is important,when you REALLY need to Throw the Pin in a tight spot....it's too late to experiment!!
Try a chain on its own on Sand if you think it's the main thing that holds you fast

An anchor warp as well as it being strong...it's a good idea to have a good bit of stretch in it,as it helps absorb the shock in Big Sea.

Yeh we were chatting about it on Jonny boat the chains is as important as the anchor

jonp · 04 August 2016, 23:07

With the Ausie sarca anchor I've reduced my chain from 10m down to 6 as well as reduce anchor size. When I target lobsters I often anchor close to reef on sand very close to the surf break, at first I was always nervousness the boat would drag into the break but so far it's held solid. So far it's not managed to snag using it on reef either.

chriswood · 05 August 2016, 10:14

Hi I agree with Mick - the anchor chain is very important. It ensures the anchor is keep flat / pulled in only a horizontal position ensuring it digs in as designed. Also it provides additional friction. For a 3.8 Ali floor sub with a 30 hp outboard I use a 5kg folding grapnel on 10m of chain then rope which allows a bit of stretch in it. I always make sure there's enough rope out so all the chains laying flat. Maybe overkill but never moved an inch.

chris123 · 05 August 2016, 19:35

2kg Plastimo plough anchor for me

jyasaki · 08 August 2016, 16:38

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Originally Posted by chriswood

I always make sure there's enough rope out so all the chains laying flat. Maybe overkill but never moved an inch.

That will work. The chain does not have to completely lie on the bottom, as long as, when the largest pulling force (from wind, current, swell or a combination thereof) is applied, the working end (at the anchor) is still laying horizontal.

The problem with having all the chain on the bottom is that you will increase wear on the rope from rocks and such. Not a big deal, but it is something that should be inspected now and again.

jky

AdrianTurner · 02 September 2016, 09:46

So, 2k Bruce type on 3m chain and 30m rope in 10m of water with a lively flow and all was well, thanks for all the comments and advice guys.

gary222 · 02 September 2016, 22:37

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Originally Posted by HDAV

I keep looking at cooper anchors then running away at the cost...... Anyone here use one?

Look great but awkward to stow?

Well sort of... I bought a smallish one, about 14inches long. I use it as a second anchor off the stern when I hop ashore to stop the boat blowing sideways in the wind. On a thin line and with no chain it buries itself very easily and holds my 4.8 from swinging about. I would imagine a bigger version with some chain would be great in sand or mud.

Adeg · 20 June 2021, 20:44

So we have a 2.7m sib, 6hp outboard
Going Bunree Scotland, Loch Linnhe in Aug, what anchor would you recommend?

HDAV · 20 June 2021, 20:55

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So we have a 2.7m sib, 6hp outboard
Going Bunree Scotland, Loch Linnhe in Aug, what anchor would you recommend?

So holy thread resurrection Batman…. I have bought a blue cooper, needs chain and not used it self in anger yet as my 2kg Bruce and chain works wonders and outperforms pretty much ever other anchor I have compared……

The folding grapnel seem favourite and also least effective and every anchor needs chain!

Adeg · 20 June 2021, 21:35

So we have a 2.7m sib with 6hp, going to Bunree and onto Loch Linnhe

What anchor would you advise?

Raccoon Jack · 20 September 2021, 07:57

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Not shown in the picture I posted last night but .........

You don't need to leave any plastic in the sea if ...

Awesome. Sir, I will buy you a drink if we ever meet. 👍🏻

HDAV · 20 September 2021, 08:06

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Originally Posted by HDAV

So holy thread resurrection Batman…. I have bought a blue cooper, needs chain and not used it self in anger

Have now used in anger on a breezy day and it does work might need a little more chain but so far so good