some help needed

[beamishken]

F ribs are the worst of all worlds dont fold well awkward to handle, expensive & poor handling due to compromise hull to allow it to be flat enough to fold. Either buy a decent sib & save a lump of money or buy a proper lightweight rib & enjoy the better performance & handling

[Highland Fling]

Well that option is to purchase a lightweight Carib Marine GRP single hull 3.10 RIB from Budget marine here in Sint Maarten. ATM they are offering 15% discount on this model This works out at a smidgen over £2,000


It is obviously not going into the boot of my car and is the lightweight version BUT still a bit heavy to manhandle at 70kg. and really needs wheels AND a trailer. The EXCEL Explorer 360 ONCE the floor is correctly pressurised would probably be the sensible option.


The Zodiac is going in for repair tomorrow SO once it is fully repaired I could maybe sell it here and purchase the Carib 3.10 and have a less painful financial experience.


Model CRB/HIF-HSR310 Overall length 3.10m (10’2″) Overall width 1.60m (5’3″) Approx. weight 70Kg (154 Lb) Max load* 600 Kg (1323 Lb) Outboard (Max.) 15hp (short shaft 15″) Inside length 2.34m (7’8″) Inside width 0.7m (2’4″) Tube diameter 43cm (17″)

[beamishken]

Can't you find any of the lightweight aluminium rib tenders out there? They are significantly lighter than similar size fibreglass boats & around the same price.

[Steve509926]

Originally Posted by Highland Fling

Well that option is to purchase a lightweight Carib Marine GRP single hull 3.10 RIB from Budget marine here in Sint Maarten. ATM they are offering 15% discount on this model This works out at a smidgen over £2,000


It is obviously not going into the boot of my car and is the lightweight version BUT still a bit heavy to manhandle at 70kg. and really needs wheels AND a trailer. The EXCEL Explorer 360 ONCE the floor is correctly pressurised would probably be the sensible option.


The Zodiac is going in for repair tomorrow SO once it is fully repaired I could maybe sell it here and purchase the Carib 3.10 and have a less painful financial experience.


Model CRB/HIF-HSR310 Overall length 3.10m (10’2″) Overall width 1.60m (5’3″) Approx. weight 70Kg (154 Lb) Max load* 600 Kg (1323 Lb) Outboard (Max.) 15hp (short shaft 15″) Inside length 2.34m (7’8″) Inside width 0.7m (2’4″) Tube diameter 43cm (17″)

You appear to be jumping from one type of boat to another in a very short space of time.

I think you need to list your wants & needs, choose the type of boat you think would fit the bill and do some proper research. The search facility on the forum usually brings up a wealth of information.

Have you found some other information about the 360 Explorer floor pressure apart from what I've already mentioned in my thread/video? I'd be interested if you have any other info.

[Highland Fling]

Jumping about I am NOT


Exploring and Investigating as much as I can all the options YES


BUT no decisions have been made or RIB/SIBS/FRIB's purchased


Priority ATM is to get my Zodiac repaired then I am again totally mobile


BUT with a heavy large ancient RIB (that needs replaced for multiple reasons)
Which rather unsurprisingly is why I am here. Trying to determine the best long term solution.


NEW
I have two options here in Sint Maarten purchase the lightweight GRP 3,10 Carib Marine RIB


Back home in the UK go and look at EXCEL Explorer SIB's


The sea is a hard taskmaster doubly so at 15+ knots and I solid RIB hull is a much better boat form than any inflatable V hull which cannot be anywhere like as rigid as a GRP or alloy hull


NOW my extensive experience is RIB's and believe you me the Caribbean can produce some rough unpleasant sea states. I have NO experience of a SIB and I really want all the advantages that a SIB can bring me (on the land) BUT I am somewhat worried that on the water I may be 'unhappy'. BUT I really do NOT want to have to use a trailer NOR change my car Also out here Hypalon is the only material that can survive in the Caribbean sun. Back home PVC is the normal material used


I am exploring here yes BUT unless I purchase the Carib here nothing much is going to happen quickly ONE THING I know is that the Carib will give me 'almost' everything I want seek and need apart from the portability, So the question is will I sacrifice on the water performance for on the land portability OR will on the land portability outweigh the lack of real RIB performance and I will be happy with this obvious compromise


I am not a weekend warrior I live on Highland Fling for six months of the year and that is not going to change massively in the UK for sure cursing for months at a time. This RIB/SIB is going to be my on the water SUV in daily use and occasionally in open sea conditions, so it is rather critical that I am very happy with whatever tender I choose.

OR as Highland Fling has a significant SS custom designed and built structure that includes a Bimini, support for multiple solar panels and davits that can lift hold and support the heavy 3.40 Zodiac RIB.


Maybe i need a lightweight RIB (the Carib) and a smaller tender with maybe a electric outboard for getting out to HF if she is on a mooring (as her normal home base) Security of the RIB could be an issue. This would also improve the sailing performance of Highland Fling having that heavy weight of the Zodiac removed from overhanging the aft end of the yacht. Highland Fling has a BabyStay so no real room on deck to store a RIB forward of the mast., but plenty of deck space for a rolled up inflatable


MMMMM this could be the best option and give me everything I want need and desire.

[Max...]

Originally Posted by Highland Fling

Jumping about I am NOT


Exploring and Investigating as much as I can all the options YES


BUT no decisions have been made or RIB/SIBS/FRIB's purchased


Which rather unsurprisingly is why I am here. Trying to determine the best long term solution.

Welll.....you can get pages and pages of advice but the only way to know what works best for *you and your situation on the water/launching/transporting* is to actually buy something and try it.

As per the 'Which SIB' sticky it's all a huge compromise. In terms of performance/convenience etc most (respected/big name) circa 3.5/4m hard floor SIBs handle the same, most air floor SIBs handle the same. The Aerotec is the only one which performs differently but that might not be best for you.

Buy a big name used outfit and try it. Like it? = keep it. Don't like it? = sell it and try something else. Repeat as necessary trying to lose as little money as possible. We've all been there.

[Steve509926]

Originally Posted by Highland Fling

Jumping about I am NOT ....................
The sea is a hard taskmaster doubly so at 15+ knots and I solid RIB hull is a much better boat form than any inflatable V hull which cannot be anywhere like as rigid as a GRP or alloy hull.........

I probably could have phrased it better! When I say "jumping about" I should have said the characteristics of all the boats you have mentioned are so different it's nearly impossible to make comparisons.

I agree that a a sib with an inflatable V hull isn't as rigid as a GRP or ali hull, but that can be an advantage. In the particular lengths of craft you are looking at a sib can perform much better that a 3.10 rib.

Given a good sea state powered by the same hp a small 3.10 mtr rib will out perform a 3.6 mtr sib all day long. However, introduce 2-3ft close intermittent waves and a 3.6 mtr sib will not only be more comfortable than the "flat" hull 3.1 mtr rib, it will also perform better.

[Highland Fling]

hardly a flat hull :-(


https://caribmarine.com/index.php/si.../#&gid=4&pid=1



Model CRB/HIF-HSR310 Overall length 3.10m (10'2") Overall width 1.60m (5'3") Approx. weight 70Kg (154 Lb) Max load* 600 Kg (1323 Lb) Outboard (Max.) 15hp (short shaft 15") Inside length 2.34m (7'8") Inside width 0.7m (2'4") Tube diameter 43cm (17") Pax. 3.5 Chambers 3 Floor Single Hypalon Orca 215
Bow locker No Price** US$ ​2,873.97


My Zodiac is big and heavy and weights about 95 KG BUT is fast and a great sea boat and weight lugger

[Steve509926]

Originally Posted by Highland Fling

hardly a flat hull ............

"flat" as in not a deep V

Good luck in your search.

[Highland Fling]

Originally Posted by Steve509926

"flat" as in not a deep V

Good luck in your search.

A 20 degree dead-rise is NOT Flat!!! I have owned and been living with and running RIB's in the Caribbean for 20+ years and they will out handle any SIB even I expect the Bombard one which seems to be the deepest V SIB available


AND that boat seems to have issues as it creates a back wash up the transom that floods the rear of the boat AND is no longer available new.


CARIB MARINE RIB's


Deep-V Hull Design: The hull is designed with a pronounced V-shape, which provides excellent rough-water handling and a smoother ride in chop.

Deepest V-Shape: A Practical Sailor review noted that Caribe RIBs possess more deadrise and a deeper V-shape than similar models, specifically referencing a "deep-V" structure.

Lifting Strakes: The hulls are equipped with two pairs of molded-in longitudinal ridges, or lifting strakes, which complement the deeper V-shape to improve performance.


I truly am fed up with this 'pissing contest' thanks for all your 'good and positive' feedback

[Max...]

Are we now in the era of the 'AI Troll'?? This sure looks like one...

[spartacus]

Originally Posted by Max...

Are we now in the era of the 'AI Troll'?? This sure looks like one...

Something doesn't add up Max. OP joined site in 2012, then account basically sat dormant for best part of 14 years. Not a peep!

Now I could be wrong, but if the collective wisdom can't persuade this gent on what to buy, then no one can. At the end of the day it's a forum - ask a question and you will literally get back multiple lines of enquiry to follow-up on, based on preference, budget and use.

Anyway - just my tuppence worth.

[beamishken]

Originally Posted by Steve509926

"flat" as in not a deep V

Good luck in your search.

I have to agree with highland fling here a rib will outperform a sib in every way except folding, no contest. Only ribs that fall short(and I dont consider them proper ribs are fribs which are flat bottomed)

As for his requirements I think he needs two boats, a lightweight rib to hang on his davits & a sib to go playing in when he wants to shore launch. Sibs are cheap in comparison to running a sailing yacht so an extra £600 for an extra sib to play from the shore shouldn't break the bank,
A rib will fare far better on davits than a sib , they tend to go soggy & dont hang well due to no internal lifting points they dont even sit well in a cradle. personally I wouldnt buy a fibreglass one as the aluminum ones are so much lighter & perform equally well if not better.
But a rib won't fit in the back of his car it has to be a rib

[Fenlander]

Donning my admin hat briefly...

Highland Fling your comment... "I truly am fed up with this pissing contest" is both unwelcome and uncalled for. Folks have given their time and experience trying to adapt to your changing and somewhat divergent end goals for this SIB or RIB.

As Spartacus says the advice is there and it's up to you how you follow it up.

But remember don't shoot the messengers.

[Steve509926]

Originally Posted by beamishken

I have to agree with highland fling here a rib will outperform a sib in every way except folding, no contest

#36

https://www.rib.net/forum/f50/will-the-scottish-weather-gods-be-kind-89804-2.html

[Max...]

Originally Posted by spartacus

Something doesn't add up Max. OP joined site in 2012, then account basically sat dormant for best part of 14 years. Not a peep!

Now I could be wrong, but if the collective wisdom can't persuade this gent on what to buy, then no one can. At the end of the day it's a forum - ask a question and you will literally get back multiple lines of enquiry to follow-up on, based on preference, budget and use.

Anyway - just my tuppence worth.

Agree! All, very odd.

[beamishken]

Originally Posted by Steve509926

#36

https://www.rib.net/forum/f50/will-the-scottish-weather-gods-be-kind-89804-2.html

A one off proves nothing,helm & set up make a huge difference. Perhaps I should have said in 99.9% of cases a rib will outperform a sib
But I stand by my opinion that a rib for tender duties the op intends it for is the best option & a few hundred quid for a sib to play in when not using his yacht is the way to go.

[Fenlander]

>>>I stand by my opinion that a rib for tender duties the op intends it for is the best option & a few hundred quid for a sib to play in when not using his yacht is the way to go.

Ignoring all that's gone before over the past few posts and just taking Highland Fling's stated needs Ken is right. If both a hard hull is desired for nipping out to Staffa type trips and a soft boat is needed to go in the car without using a trailer these requirements will never be met in one purchase.

[Steve509926]

Originally Posted by beamishken

A one off proves nothing,helm & set up make a huge difference. Perhaps I should have said in 99.9% of cases a rib will outperform a sib

The few times I've seen it, Lismore, coming back from Striven to Largs & IofW to Lymington, they have all been sub 3.5mtr and all tiller steer. Would the tiller steer set up have anything to do with it?

[beamishken]

Originally Posted by Steve509926

The few times I've seen it, Lismore, coming back from Striven to Largs & IofW to Lymington, they have all been sub 3.5mtr and all tiller steer. Would the tiller steer set up have anything to do with it?

Yes a tiller steer rib with a heavy engine & helm sat in the stern will be very bow light & likely engine trimmed out for max speed creating more bow lift will handle awful in the rough. Move the helm forward via tiller extension, console or move gear or passengers into the bow so the vee is doing its job rather than presenting the rearmost flatter sections of the hull to the waves & it will be a different boat.