Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
 
Old 01 April 2016, 23:21   #41
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Cambridgeshire
Boat name: Nimrod II
Make: Aerotec 380
Length: 3m +
Engine: Yam 15 Tohatsu 9.8
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 8,305
Weight... hmm not sure as it's 8-10kg more which is about the difference between a Tohatsu 9.8 and my Mercury 15 and they felt the same... light on the tiller.

Perhaps it's the blooming great anti-ventilation plate holding all that splash down!

I'll observe (or feel) more carefully next time out.
__________________
Fenlander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02 April 2016, 17:52   #42
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Sussex
Boat name: Bombard
Make: Aerotec 380
Length: 3m +
Engine: Mercury Mariner 15hp
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,401
Just back after a week on hols (no internet) and this forum is more anally-Aerotec than ever! My anti splash plate for the BAT-Mariner/Mercury splashing ended up falling off so I'll be making a simpler one this year. No amount of height adjustment cured it for me, some sort of plate or deflector is essential.
__________________
Max... is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02 April 2016, 18:30   #43
Member
 
Country: UK - Scotland
Make: Destroyer 5.5/Ring18
Length: 3m +
Engine: Yam 90HP/Yam200HP
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 963
I had a yam 15hp on my aerotec and the splashing was really bad, put a 25hp yam on it and the splashing was pretty much gone.
Plus it was a lot more fun with the 25hp ...
__________________
69cmw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09 April 2016, 16:51   #44
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Fulham
Make: Aerotec 380
Length: 3m +
Engine: Mercury 25HP
MMSI: 235914577
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 244
I am still trying to work out why I had zero splash on my Aerotec 380 at full or any speed and then on the next trip, had lots of splash at full speed only. I did change the prop but it was identical. I wonder, if the floor was done up a little differently on the straps on the non splash trip. I am going to monitor this closely. 25HP
__________________
Firstrib is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09 April 2016, 17:10   #45
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Cambridgeshire
Boat name: Nimrod II
Make: Aerotec 380
Length: 3m +
Engine: Yam 15 Tohatsu 9.8
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 8,305
I think any small change can alter the splash... as you say perhaps floor pressure and also how your kit & tank weight is spread about.
__________________
Fenlander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10 April 2016, 12:57   #46
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Fulham
Make: Aerotec 380
Length: 3m +
Engine: Mercury 25HP
MMSI: 235914577
Join Date: Oct 2015
Posts: 244
Hi Fenlander, there cannot be a more forensic discussion on splash than this! Having thought about your comment about tanks, YES this was a change. When I had two 22L tanks end to end and two up, I had no splash. When I had the 22L tanks side by side under the seat and two up, I had splash at full speed (only). I think this might have changed the shape and weight of the floor, so will put end to end again this time and report back.






I can't wait to get my outboard back from Chas Newens!
__________________
Firstrib is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10 April 2016, 15:09   #47
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Sussex
Boat name: Bombard
Make: Aerotec 380
Length: 3m +
Engine: Mercury Mariner 15hp
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,401
Shame Locozodiac has gone off the radar - he was the master of SIB/engine height set-up and splashy OB techy do-dah...
__________________
Max... is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 June 2016, 15:19   #48
Member
 
chipko's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Up North and right a bit
Make: XS500/Merc340/Bic245
Length: 5m +
Engine: Mar 60/20/3.5/Hon2.3
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,065
Aerotec transom splash issue.

Started this response on another thread but thought more relevant here.
Always suffered the dreaded 'splash' to a degree although never into the boat so more of an annoyance than the real problem many suffer. To try and bottom this out I knocked up a couple of temporary transom raisers at 50mm and 65mm.
Click image for larger version

Name:	ImageUploadedByRIB Net1467038943.754469.jpg
Views:	243
Size:	31.3 KB
ID:	114115
Click image for larger version

Name:	ImageUploadedByRIB Net1467038978.839429.jpg
Views:	262
Size:	38.9 KB
ID:	114116

Only tested solo this weekend so findings not fully conclusive yet, though I fear the underlying cause is not just engine height. Splash is worse on a lightly loaded boat and on mine only at near max speed.
Have been running 25mm riser as stock, now tried 50 and 65mm. No top speed gain (21knots) with any, splash is getting less with more height but not yet fully eliminated. Not suffering any significant ventilation even at 65mm so may be room to go higher though reluctant to do this. Also trimming either side of optimum makes little difference to splash, but significant to performance.

In my opinion it's the disturbed water exiting off the concave transom/v-floor edge curling up and inward hitting the lower leg. The AV plate sits nicely at the surface of the main water flow with 50mm raiser, but the intermittent secondary flow hits the leg randomly and above the splash plate. This is what causes the splashing. Photo below indicates this soft corner between the transom and floor. Note: 25mm riser in pic.
Click image for larger version

Name:	ImageUploadedByRIB Net1467039596.658916.jpg
Views:	277
Size:	71.8 KB
ID:	114117

Below are a couple of crude sketches to try and indicate water flow off the Aerotec and a typical SIB.
Click image for larger version

Name:	ImageUploadedByRIB Net1467039740.914070.jpg
Views:	380
Size:	87.9 KB
ID:	114118

Have tried a splash plate in the past, which helps, but would rather eliminate splash at source rather than mask the problem. However, now I know the splashing is not significantly affecting performance, then a combination of raising the engine to optimum and then a splash plate to deflect the pesky secondary intermittent water flow, may be the way to go.
The quest continues.
__________________
chipko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 June 2016, 15:24   #49
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Sussex
Boat name: Bombard
Make: Aerotec 380
Length: 3m +
Engine: Mercury Mariner 15hp
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,401
That is a very well argued diagram - I'd always thought it was somehow the deep V specifically at the transom (unique to Aerotec) that caused it but maybe the edge curve as you say?

My anti splash guard stops it coming in 100% - just directs it out back. Sadly no added water jet type velocity is gained....

[EDIT[ Just been out to look at mine sitting on it's side and you have to be right - the shape is almost perfectly designed to direct water off that curve as it meets the V and straight up in the air.
__________________
Max... is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 June 2016, 15:41   #50
Member
 
chipko's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Up North and right a bit
Make: XS500/Merc340/Bic245
Length: 5m +
Engine: Mar 60/20/3.5/Hon2.3
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,065
Aerotec transom splash issue.

Thanks Max. Would love to know the thinking Bombard had behind the concave transom. Surely if it had a straight V to match the floor it would give a nice 90 deg. hard edge to the joint. Hope it's not just to save material when cutting transoms from a standard sheet!
__________________
chipko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 June 2016, 15:45   #51
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Sussex
Boat name: Bombard
Make: Aerotec 380
Length: 3m +
Engine: Mercury Mariner 15hp
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,401
Quote:
Originally Posted by chipko View Post
Thanks Max. Would love to know the thinking Bombard had behind the concave transom. Surely if it had a straight V to match the floor it would give a nice 90 deg. hard edge to the joint. Hope it's not just to save material when cutting transoms from a standard sheet!
Possibly - they don't ever seem to want to spend any money on tooling, procedures or refinements. We all agree the Aerotec is pretty impressive and hugely capable but they really need to add a few inches to the beam, re-design the transom shape and height and change the blooming floor to anything but white! Two handles on the bows to match the rear would be handy too.




Pic here (my floor is slightly deflated for storage so not as tight as normal):
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_3277.jpg
Views:	256
Size:	110.8 KB
ID:	114126  
__________________
Max... is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 June 2016, 15:55   #52
Member
 
chipko's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Up North and right a bit
Make: XS500/Merc340/Bic245
Length: 5m +
Engine: Mar 60/20/3.5/Hon2.3
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,065
Aerotec transom splash issue.

Same with mine Max. Nice taught hull with a saggy bottom just where it counts.... Nobody likes a saggy bottom!
I'm tempted to duck tape (lots of layers) a plastic angle to each side to temporarily form a hard angle between hull and transom. Worried it may damage hull/engine if it gives up at high speed though. Also don't relish cleaning glue residue off.
Edit; A fairly firm foam filler packed in the void internally might just pack it out enough to help a little and not damage anything.
__________________
chipko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 June 2016, 16:04   #53
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Sussex
Boat name: Bombard
Make: Aerotec 380
Length: 3m +
Engine: Mercury Mariner 15hp
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,401
I made this:

http://www.rib.net/forum/f50/rigging...tml#post715124
__________________
Max... is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 June 2016, 16:11   #54
Member
 
chipko's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Up North and right a bit
Make: XS500/Merc340/Bic245
Length: 5m +
Engine: Mar 60/20/3.5/Hon2.3
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,065
Yes, been impressed with your deflector in previous threads. I also bodged a temp one some time ago. It did work to some degree.
Click image for larger version

Name:	ImageUploadedByRIB Net1467043880.543776.jpg
Views:	322
Size:	57.5 KB
ID:	114127
__________________
chipko is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27 June 2016, 18:21   #55
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Cambridgeshire
Boat name: Nimrod II
Make: Aerotec 380
Length: 3m +
Engine: Yam 15 Tohatsu 9.8
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 8,305
I hope monkey doesn't mind me linking his image but just noticed that the Futura has quite a similar transom shape... but has a much neater squared off end to the floor where it attaches to transom...

https://c1.staticflickr.com/8/7428/2...28ba0262_o.jpg
__________________
Fenlander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 June 2016, 10:11   #56
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Cambridgeshire
Boat name: Nimrod II
Make: Aerotec 380
Length: 3m +
Engine: Yam 15 Tohatsu 9.8
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 8,305
Just looking at the diagram and comments of Chipko in post #48...

I wonder if the way the water leaves the floor is very sensitive to the "angle of attack" of the floor. Not sure if I'll end up explaining well what I'm thinking but...

If the boat is very evenly loaded... perhaps even a little bow heavy (which is close to our situation) with enough weight that the bow will not lift much at all for small waves... then the water exiting from under the floor in the transom area will come out quite level.

If you are one up or laden such that it is bow high and/or bow light so it will lift at the slightest wave then the transom will be "digging in" which will mean that exiting water will tend to be going round a slight corner and be squeezed out with more upwards force??
__________________
Fenlander is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 June 2016, 12:23   #57
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Bideford
Make: Bombard Aerotec
Length: 4m +
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 358
Quote:
Originally Posted by chipko View Post
Same with mine Max. Nice taught hull with a saggy bottom just where it counts.... Nobody likes a saggy bottom!
I'm tempted to duck tape (lots of layers) a plastic angle to each side to temporarily form a hard angle between hull and transom. Worried it may damage hull/engine if it gives up at high speed though. Also don't relish cleaning glue residue off.
Edit; A fairly firm foam filler packed in the void internally might just pack it out enough to help a little and not damage anything.
I thought about trying to stuff some dense foam into the back corner. Thing is my 420 doesnt suffer too badly, only slight splashing when going full tilt with one up. I always have it pumped right up to the max, even if its slightly below pressure the splashing and flex is a bit offputting
__________________
simonafloat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 June 2016, 21:54   #58
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Wigan
Boat name: ?
Make: Bombard 380
Length: 3m +
Engine: 2S18hp 2S15hp 2s9.8
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 189
I did these mods to the transom two years ago not had a problem with the water coming over the top since,

Transom mods aerotec 380, Pictures
Some pictures of the transom height mods I've done to the areotec. Two heights for two different engines, 25mm for the mercury 15hp and 50mm for the Johnson 30hp. With the engine sat in-between the plate it can only go in one place so centralizes the motor every time. Have used 8 of the 9 same screw holes in the transom so its not laced with holes.
Just need to got 2 bolts to finish it off.







I've since dropped the height down to 40mm as now using Tohatsu 25.


This is from a post 2 years ago but don't know how to link it in.
__________________
Big Al C is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28 June 2016, 22:38   #59
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Sussex
Boat name: Bombard
Make: Aerotec 380
Length: 3m +
Engine: Mercury Mariner 15hp
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,401
http://www.rib.net/forum/f50/transom...res-61289.html

__________________
Max... is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17 June 2017, 20:39   #60
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Sussex
Boat name: Bombard
Make: Aerotec 380
Length: 3m +
Engine: Mercury Mariner 15hp
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,401
Bumpsville for this topic, so much useful stuff was discussed here.

Has anyone done any further work or mods on this in the past year?
__________________
Max... is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




All times are GMT. The time now is 13:29.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.