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Old 19 November 2003, 06:56   #1
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Trailer law

Sorry if this is a "bone" question that has been answered before, but here goes anyway!
Can anyone give me the LEGAL maximum that I can tow in terms of dimmensions? I have had lots of opinions, including some from Police officers, but no written down fact yet! The best I have come across is "maximum trailer length of 7.0 metres excluding drawbar,width of 2.34, but I am allowed overhang" Don't want to buy a boat I can't tow legally...
Any takers? Cheers, in a confused sort of way, Jono
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Old 19 November 2003, 07:38   #2
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My advice to you would be to e-mail or PM Geoff Campbell, who post here, as he wrote a very comrehensive report on this very subject for PBO (I think). He did offer to send the article to anyone a short time ago.
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Is it me ?

If a boat comes on a trailer then does it not equate that it must be legal otherwise the manufacturer wouldn't put it on one ! Now if you're talking about your licence then that's a different matter. Try www.dvla.gov.uk
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As far as I know, you've got the right figures and there isn't much to add. It's a bit of a grey area as with boat trailers is isn't always clear where the trailer ends and the drawbar starts.

The National Trailer & Towing Association has a a good web site at www.ntta.co.uk with lots of useful information. I have emailed them to see if we can get any more specific information for boat trailers.

MeMe, you should be right but I wouldn't bank on it! Whilst the supplier certainly has a duty of care, it is ultimately your responsibility as driver to make sure you are road worthy and legal.

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Thanks!

Thanks to all. I've had a conversation with a very nice lady at the "Vehicle Standard Agency" (former DOT) who has put me in the picture. Trailer up to 2.3 wide with permissible overhang of 305 on either side, but NOT greater overall than 2.9
Length of trailer as stated is 7.O excluding drawbar with permissible overhang in line with regulation 82 of the Road Vehicle(Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 as ammended (C&U)......Super!, Now where's my cheque book....Jono
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One thing to be aware of: You keep to all the dimensions, then you fit the lighting board by pulling the support brackets out to a sensible position for the overhang.....you just lengthened the trailer. However, if the lighting board is mounted on the boat, it will be attached to the load.
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Just out of interest, do you have to have extendible wing mirrors like for caravans with boats? - is this a legal requirement?

If you do that, the front load then becomes very wide indeed

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There was a big debate/argument about this about a month ago when another guy was lookign to buy a boat. but basically you can tow anything up to around 10m, but u will need warning flags and light if travalling at night.

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http://www.rib.net/forum/showthread....t&pagenumber=1
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The National Trailer & Towing Association has a a good web site at www.ntta.co.uk with lots of useful information. I have emailed them to see if we can get any more specific information for boat trailers.


John
Thank you John for inviting the NTTA to contribute. As a boat owner (yacht) and a trailer manufacturer, I know a little about the subject.

I have tabled the dimensions below but there is still a 'grey area' about the length of a boat trailer. Discussions with the Vehicle Inspectorate indicate that in the case of a boat trailer equipped with a winch, any part of the trailer in front of a vertical line dropped down from the front of the winch post, would constitute the drawbar. In other words, the 7 metre maximum length would be measured from this point. However, until an actual case has been before the courts, this is subject to interpretation.

With specific regard to boat trailers, note that they are exempt to some extent from complying fully with the Road Vehicles (Lighting Regulations) 1986. However, it is important that the rear overhang is clearly marked in accordance with the regulations and that there are also issues about the marking of 'dangerous projections' which could well include outboards.

Towing vehicle up to and including 3500kg GVW
Length (excluding the coupling and drawbar) 7.0 metres
Width Maximum 2.3 metres

Towing vehicle over 3500kg GVW
Length (excluding the coupling and drawbar) 12 metres if at least 4 wheels
Width Maximum 2.55 metres

Length of towing vehicle and trailer combined 18 metres
Maximum overhang of load from rear of trailer 3.05 metres

Marking of rear overhang
Between 1m and 2m, ensure the end is clearly visible by attaching a piece of cloth or similar.
Between 2m and 3.05m, a marker board as defined in the Regulations must be fitted and illuminated at night.
If the overhang is more than 3.05m, an attendant must be carried and the police must be notified 2 days before commencing the journey.


I hope this clears the issue up a little!

Please note, the usual NTTA disclaimer applies to this post! http://www.ntta.co.uk/law/disclaimer.htm

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If a boat comes on a trailer then does it not equate that it must be legal otherwise the manufacturer wouldn't put it on one ! Now if you're talking about your licence then that's a different matter. Try www.dvla.gov.uk
Wrong Meme111 when i got my boat the gross weight was above 750kg and no brakes were fitted. i had to change the axle.
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Just out of interest, do you have to have extendible wing mirrors like for caravans with boats? - is this a legal requirement?

If you do that, the front load then becomes very wide indeed

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Its not a legal requirment for towing either. However there are requirments about vision to the rear which may make the use of extended mirrors needed.

Shogun is a lot wider than Suzuki Jeeps hence the Suzi driver might need extended mirrors to have vison to the rear of his load whilst the shogun driver towing same load may be able to see to the rear with his normal wing mirrors bla bla bla ...
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Shogun is a lot wider than Suzuki Jeeps hence the Suzi driver might need extended mirrors to have vison to the rear of his load whilst the shogun driver towing same load may be able to see to the rear with his normal wing mirrors bla bla bla ...
The only time I've been able to clearly see behind when trailing the rib was when we borrowed one of the 3.5 ton flatbeds from work which are very wide anyway - made towing on the motorway nice and easy.
With my last van, I used to be able to see under the boat at traffic behind, but with my current van, although it's wider, when in a straight line, anyone up close behind I cannot see.
I was wondering at what point you have to put extensions on the wing mirrors for this, and if anyone actually does for towing their ribs around the country?

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Wrong Meme111 when i got my boat the gross weight was above 750kg and no brakes were fitted. i had to change the axle.
Does that mean you have a South African manufactured trailer!!!!
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I was wondering at what point you have to put extensions on the wing mirrors for this, and if anyone actually does for towing their ribs around the country?

Thanks,

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I just use one on the drivers side, I used to have 2 but 1 broke.
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I had two of these extension mirrors for the last van, but the new one has bigger wing mirrors, and the clips won't fit now

Wonder if Towsure have anything suitable....

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The new laws for length state -

7m + the draw bar is the biggest trailer you can tow, where boats are conseared this is a 7m hull .

you may tow up to a 10m hull on a twin axle trailer if towed by a goods veichcle over 3500kg (prob with a tacho).

So i better get a new yank pick up then, over 3500kg goods veichle and 5mpg on a good day.

The RYA are just bringing out a new booklet for towing and roof racking which is very good. if any one wants a copy send me a SAE to the address here.
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eeek!

Jahno,

Now you are confusing me! The lady from the D.o.T. stated that the limits apply to the trailer NOT the load (boat) and you are allowed overhang in line with section 82 of the construction and use regs. What did I miss? Please could you give me "your source"?
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The rules staes in the case of a boat it's a 7m hull.

Send me sae and i'll send you a copy of my sources, mainly a joint venture between RYA and DOT, and also article in octobers 4x4 magazine.

Wavehumper, belive you have looked in to this?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by JAHNO
Send me sae and i'll send you a copy of ....

Whats all this send me a SAE lark, it's not bloody Blue Peter you know.
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i would scan it but havn't got a scanners.

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Dont you have a Jet Ski also?
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