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Old 12 May 2014, 05:07   #1
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Ribnet jury- another tow limit question?

I passed test circa 1995

1. Can I, can the car, is it wise- for a 320d 184bhp 2011 touring to pull a braked trailer of circa 1500kg. Car weighs 2000kg, max braked is 1800kg

2. Can I, in a LWB 1990 ish Range Rover 4.0 V8, pull a braked 1600kg trailer. Is it over this total 3500kg limit?


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Yes to both.

I have towed a 1700kg Fletcher behind a 320d Coupe, needed to keep speed down to 50 because the tow hitch was too low(lowered sports springs) which could cause trailer to twitch if you got moving too fast. It wasnt the ideal tow car, but it was legal and worked, I think the touring should be better.

Range rover can tow 3500kg total trailer weight, didnt think the 1990 RR had a 4L, thought it was a 3.5 or 3.9 ? I dragged a 3000kg Bayliner around with a V8 3.9 disco in the 90's, great tow car but I fitted an additional auto box oil cooler and spring helpers on the back to improve it even more.
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If you've got B+E on your licence then both are legal. I wouldn't hesitate to do either.
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Cheers for legal element.

However would it not feel a little intimidating towing 1600kg ie our 6.3 Humber OP with 175hp 2.5L opti on the back of a saloon car. It feels big behind the RR! :-(


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Cheers for legal element.

However would it not feel a little intimidating towing 1600kg ie our 6.3 Humber OP with 175hp 2.5L opti on the back of a saloon car. It feels big behind the RR! :-(


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Have you seen my rig?

You'll be fine.
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Cheers for legal element.

However would it not feel a little intimidating towing 1600kg ie our 6.3 Humber OP with 175hp 2.5L opti on the back of a saloon car. It feels big behind the RR! :-(
Probs, but I'd have thought you'd be fine if your brakes work. Even with my little 5.3 I used to be a bit wary at roundabouts, in case I had to stop in a bit of a hurry cos some muppet wasn't indicating or going all the way round the outside. But now the brakes on the trailer work I can stop it on a sixpence.

We're thinking of upgrading to a 6m+4 stroke package when the right boat presents itself and I'm planning on towing it with the Exeo (1800 limit). I'd imagine getting it balanced so that the hitch weight is right would be pretty key.
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Try 25m long and 4.5m wide
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25m long and 4.5m wide
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It strikes me that the thing you might fall foul of is length rather than weight. I real on gov.uk that you can't to anything longer than 7m behind a car. 6.3 for the boat + a bit of trailer between the car and the boat might put you over?
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The 7m regulation states that its a maximum length excluding drawbar and rear overhang.

Rear over hang is anything behind the rear axel and drawbar is pretty much what ever you want it to be (It has never been defined in law what the drawbar is ) at the front of the trailer. In practice it means the 7m length is the least restrictive element of the regs.

Mine is completely legal and measures a tad over 10m from tow hitch to number plate. Think about Glider trailers, they are legal but can measure over 12m.
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The 7m regulation states that its a maximum length excluding drawbar and rear overhang.

Rear over hang is anything behind the rear axel and drawbar is pretty much what ever you want it to be (It has never been defined in law what the drawbar is ) at the front of the trailer. In practice it means the 7m length is the least restrictive element of the regs.

Mine is completely legal and measures a tad over 10m from tow hitch to number plate. Think about Glider trailers, they are legal but can measure over 12m.
Yeah, I did think there must be an awful lot of illegal trailers on the road.
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The 7m regulation states that its a maximum length excluding drawbar and rear overhang.

Rear over hang is anything behind the rear axel and drawbar is pretty much what ever you want it to be (It has never been defined in law what the drawbar is ) at the front of the trailer. In practice it means the 7m length is the least restrictive element of the regs.

Mine is completely legal and measures a tad over 10m from tow hitch to number plate. Think about Glider trailers, they are legal but can measure over 12m.
Wow, didn't know that about the overhang "anything behind the rear axle" and Drawbar length "never been defined in law". Is this true of caravans as well (or just boat trailers) or is there some other definition of what constitutes a "trailer"?
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Range rover can tow 3500kg total trailer weight, didnt think the 1990 RR had a 4L, thought it was a 3.5 or 3.9 ?
and just to add to the confusion 3.9 and 4.0 are both 3948cc
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Wow, didn't know that about the overhang "anything behind the rear axle" and Drawbar length "never been defined in law". Is this true of caravans as well (or just boat trailers) or is there some other definition of what constitutes a "trailer"?

I think it originates from the wording used to define the length of HGV trailers, so yes, it applies to all trailers (and caravans) on the road.

The drawbar thing is interesting (in a nerdy, I want to pull a big boat kind of way ). Most people define it as the start of the A frame shape, on my trailer, it accounts for nearly 3m alone. Caravans dont have big A frames, but they do have huge rear overhangs which allows some pretty big rigs.
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