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Old 09 October 2008, 09:05   #1
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Not a happy ruddin ribber!

OK,

Need the esteemed Avon 5.4m and yammie boys assistance here.

How much does an Avon 5.4m hull and standard console weigh, no a-frame attached but with standard tubes.

Secondly, how much does a yammie 70hp 2 stroke weigh?

If ye can answer me these questions three.... erm, i mean two

I'd be chuffed to bits as am about to go off on one at a certain well known establishment that may have just (wrongly) cost me some reddies.
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The engine is 105kgs if it's a 3 cylinder

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/outboard.../10/specs.aspx

Is this the right Avon?

http://www.avon-workboats.com/page/sr54n1

If so about 320-350kg.
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OK,

Secondly, how much does a yammie 70hp 2 stroke weigh?
105 kg for autolube version with the electric tilt en trim (70b) if I remember correctly.
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http://www.avon-workboats.com has the hull spec's

As for the Yam,

http://www.yamaha-motor.com.au/marin...p?therange=m2s

has to be close......
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Ideal lads,

Much appreciated the long arm of the law threatened a 60.00 fine and 6 points if it weighed more than 750 kg with trailer as the trailer was not fitted with brakes.

They then proceed to allow it to be put on a low bed truck and delivered to final destination but they wont pay the bill.

Just need to know my rights before a few questions are asked.
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I guess it will come down to putting it on some scales to get a real life answer for the weight as experiance ahs shown me that over time things do get heavier & heavier . This is mostly based on aircraft weights which when weighed a few years ago are fine , but after a few tweaks & fixes rapidly become heavier.

I assume the reason they stopped you was that they considered you to be over weight & its easy to make a quick buck, hard to argue, and you probably will pay the 60 !
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Ideal lads,

Much appreciated the long arm of the law threatened a 60.00 fine and 6 points if it weighed more than 750 kg with trailer as the trailer was not fitted with brakes.

They then proceed to allow it to be put on a low bed truck and delivered to final destination but they wont pay the bill.

Just need to know my rights before a few questions are asked.
But you could be borderline... e.g.

Boat... ...350kg
Battery, anchor, other kit... ...50kg
Fuel... ...50kg
trailer... ...150kg
Engine... ...105kg

TOTAL ...705kg

All assuming its dry and not carrying much gear.

But I suspect the police position will be that it is your responsibility to know the law, and keep your trailer within the limit. So if you were confident that you were legal you would have continued your journey. If they were confident you were not they would have weighed it and then either let you go about your business or fined you.
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But you could be borderline... e.g.

Boat... ...350kg
Battery, anchor, other kit... ...50kg
Fuel... ...50kg
trailer... ...150kg
Engine... ...105kg

TOTAL ...705kg

All assuming its dry and not carrying much gear.

But I suspect the police position will be that it is your responsibility to know the law, and keep your trailer within the limit. So if you were confident that you were legal you would have continued your journey. If they were confident you were not they would have weighed it and then either let you go about your business or fined you.
Agreed, but vessel was on the way back from having the hull repainted, No batteries or kit on board and no fuel (or tank for that matter ).

The guy towing was confident with it being less than 750kg but the PC was most adament that the only way he was going to proceed was on the back of a truck.

It wont cost too much, just a bit narked that's all.
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It all depends on trailer weight. If you are under the weight I would make a fuss and put in a bill for your expenses. They DO pay if you keep on at them!!!
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Agreed, but vessel was on the way back from having the hull repainted, No batteries or kit on board and no fuel (or tank for that matter ).

The guy towing was confident with it being less than 750kg but the PC was most adament that the only way he was going to proceed was on the back of a truck.

It wont cost too much, just a bit narked that's all.
Let me get this right. A non ministry copper stopped you and refused to allow it to move without weighing it?

It's below 750kg unless you've got a ridiculously heavy trailer. Even if it was on my heavy braked dixon-bate trailer it's borderline.

I'd be writing letters to the Chief Constable by now. Get it down to a public weighbridge pronto.
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Cheers all.

Had a look on the dept of transport site.

The only snag I can see is if the specified max weight of the trailer is over 750kg then it has to be braked, no matter if the trailer and load come in under.

Time to get the paperwork out.
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I assume you were towing it with a landrover or similar size vehicle with a 750kg unbraked capacity not a smaller car? only larger estates can tow 750kgs unbraked.
in which case IMHO the copper was completley in the wrong, they cant just guess the weight.
I tow an SR5 on an unbraked trailer and can say with some confidence that its under 750KGS.
just to make sure i am going to weigh it at the local gravel pit to be 100% sure, and i will even keep the ticket to prove it!!
I suggest you weigh it and take a photo on the bridge proving it also, and file a claim for compensation. (or better still go to a VOSA weighbridge)They couldnt do this to an LGV and the same should apply here, I would have insisted they escorted me to the nearest public weighbridge, if they refused then i would insist they arrest me or i would continue my journey.
did you point out that a rib is mainly fresh air?
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Cheers all.

Had a look on the dept of transport site.

The only snag I can see is if the specified max weight of the trailer is over 750kg then it has to be braked, no matter if the trailer and load come in under.

Time to get the paperwork out.

if the trailer has a specified weight over 750kgs then it will be braked unless its been modified.
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There's been a number of threads talking about boat weight/trailer weight...I wonder how many of us, in all innocence, are illegal? I wonder how many of us, in all innocence, are running above the maximum rated trailer capacity? I suspect my old boat, now gone, may have been 'marginal' on both counts

From reading this forum I've already decided to take my new boat and trailer straight to the weighbridge when I take delivery next year. There's no other way of knowing for sure.
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i think you can tow a trailor without brakes up to 750 kgs as long as the trailor weighs half the weight of the car towing it ,so it may be they are doing you because your car is too light , and you also have to have the gross weight marked on the nearside of the trailor as well as a safety chain ,if you have brakes its only weight for weight even if your car says it can tow more, unless its a duel purpose vehicle ie landrover,. does your driving licence allow you to tow a trailor ,as far as i know if you passed your driving test within about 5 years or so its a seperate test ,. i know a few boaters thats had bother with the law with mudgards not been fitted as some say the boat constitutes part of the trailor and you dont need them where as others dont allow it .
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Under 750kg. Probably.

Had mine on a weighbridge a few years ago:

http://www.rib.net/forum/showthread....earider+weight

Was a little under 750kg.
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Had mine on a weighbridge a few years ago:

http://www.rib.net/forum/showthread....earider+weight

Was a little under 750kg.
What trailer was under it?
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and essentially require a trailer with a maximum design laden weight of more 750 kg to be braked
so depends on max design weight-not the actual weight so no need for the pc to direct you to proceed to a weighbridge
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cant see that anywhere provided GVTW is not exceeded
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Your average copper has absolutely no idea about traffic regs at all unless you jump a red light in front of him, least of all weights and trailer regs.

With a MAM of 749KG on a trailer you'd have to be have a hell of a heavily built trailer to exceed 750KG with a bare SR5.4 and Yam 70.

I've had utterly clueless police try this kind of thing with me before on my bikes (the most notable being when I was told my speedo on a 1979 bike didn't meet type approval regs for new vehicles brought in in 1997) They backed off on every occasion when I told them the law then told them to take me to court so I could make them look an ass.
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but isnt that the point -that it is completely irrelevant what the weight is as it sits there with the boat on it. If the trailer max laden weight marked on it is over 750 kg then it needs brakes? Even if its empty. Which is a bit of a b****r if that is the case as I always worked on the keep it under 750kg and it would be fine without the brakes which I had taken out of it.
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