Mildly annoyed!

[Poly]

Originally Posted by kerny

You will find that it will be very difficult to push a twin axle by hand.

thats a width of trailer v's width of garage problem not a twin axle issue you had!

[Richardnhunt]

If you jack up the jockey wheel to reduce the weight on the front axle, pushing & turning by hand becomes much easier.

Rich

[kerny]

Originally Posted by Poly

thats a width of trailer v's width of garage problem not a twin axle issue you had!

not quite true my garage is plenty wide enough it just happens that the two single doors are not.

p.s. talking twins...., shouldn't you be out on yer kayak enjoying the sun.

[Poly]

Originally Posted by kerny

p.s. talking twins...., shouldn't you be out on yer kayak enjoying the sun.

I'm "working".

[kerny]

Originally Posted by Poly

I'm "working".

Me too : thumbs:

[tumnus]

Originally Posted by Ovey

With all the talk about trailer weights, etc. a wave of "doing the right thing" struck me, so I've just taken the boat down to the weighbridge.

Despite being plated for 1100kg the entire kit weighed in at 1220kg! Now there isn't 120kg of rope in there and the anchor wasn't in it either, which makes me think that the original supplier must have supplied it with an illegal trailer, and the two previous owners didn't worry about it.

So, there's an Indespension Roller Coaster 3 about to hit the market once I've found a trailer to replace it!! (Unless I can get trade-in).

Any suggestions for a 6m rib, do I go for a 1300kg trailer or 1500kg? And according to Indespension that trailer is for 5.2m boats but mine is on there nicely with only about 2" overhang.

Trailer suggestions welcome! Thanks.

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Apologies if I have missed this in previous posts but just a daft question.....

Does the mass on the plate ( in this case 1100kg ) include the mass of the trailer itself ? Or is it the load bearing capacity ?

[Ovey]

The plate has a GVW (gross vehicle weight) which is weight of boat plus trailer plus extras. So if it's plated 1100kg ( as mine is) then total weight of boat, trailer & anything else must be below 110kg.


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[tumnus]

Originally Posted by Ovey

The plate has a GVW (gross vehicle weight) which is weight of boat plus trailer plus extras. So if it's plated 1100kg ( as mine is) then total weight of boat, trailer & anything else must be below 110kg.

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Many thanks for the clarification- towing and trailers always seem to be overly complicated. Every time I think I have it clear in my head there is another angle that crops up,......

[Ovey]

Yup, that's towing! Lol. In a nutshell trailers over 750kg must be braked and the total weight of any trailer when fully loaded must be below it's plated GVW.

And then you add in the maximum towing weight of the tow vehicle (trailer must be below this) and the maximum gross train weight (GTW) which is the maximum weight that the fully laden trailer plus tow vehicle must be below! Both of these should be on a plate on your car, or at least in the handbook.

I've got a discovery so the towing & GTW aren't too much of a worry for me.


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[cptsideways]

Originally Posted by Ovey

Incidentally, has anyone found problems manoeuvring. Twin axle trailer around by hand?

I can't reverse it onto my drive due to room so have to unhitch and push it. I've heard they're hard to steer in a situation like that?


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Use the jockey wheel to lift the front wheels off the ground, its becomes as single axle trailer then

[DGR]

Another daft towing question - if you have a trailer rated over 750kgs, but you only ever use it to go from a secure compound to the slip (less than 100 metres along a public road) - so effectively it's only used as a launching trolley, does it still need to have brakes?

How does it work for yacht cradles (which weigh 10+ tons) that get towed along a short sections of public highway from the slip to a compound (for example) - is there a speed restriction or something? Or is it all completely illegal?

[Ovey]

If you go on a public road then the law applies whether it's for 100 yards or 100 miles I'm afraid.

I'm not sure about cradles but you'd like to think the operators are covered & legal as their business depends on it.


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[Mollers]

Originally Posted by cptsideways

Use the jockey wheel to lift the front wheels off the ground, its becomes as single axle trailer then

Agreed, that's what I do. When empty, it makes the trailer a doddle to manoeuvre by hand. It was mentioned earlier, but no one took any notice.

[Ovey]

Does it work when the boat is on it too? I have to push it straight down the drive then turn it round a corner to tuck it down the side of the garage over a patio stone track.


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[Mollers]

Originally Posted by Ovey

Does it work when the boat is on it too? I have to push it straight down the drive then turn it round a corner to tuck it down the side of the garage over a patio stone track.


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Yeah, but you'd need a quality jockey, maybe a pneumatic and a decent drive. Not a crazy paving affair.

[Ovey]

Hmm, back to looking at single axles then I think. Thanks for the info.


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[Ovey]

Hmm, it would seem that no trailer manufacturers or outlets within the area are open this weekend! There goes my plan to browse this afternoon!!


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[Ovey]

As clarification, here's the driveway and temporary "track" I have to cope with when putting the boat away. It's all done by hand as there isn't enough room off the drive to back in with a large trailer.

The boat rolls down the red drive (just seen to the right hand side) and then I have to slew it round onto the patio stone pathway and manouevre it round by hand so it goes down the side of my garage, with the nose tucking in next to the neighbours garage.

So I'm guessing a 4 wheel trailer would be too hard for this?

[beamishken]

Originally Posted by Ovey

As clarification, here's the driveway and temporary "track" I have to cope with when putting the boat away. It's all done by hand as there isn't enough room off the drive to back in with a large trailer.

The boat rolls down the red drive (just seen to the right hand side) and then I have to slew it round onto the patio stone pathway and manouevre it round by hand so it goes down the side of my garage, with the nose tucking in next to the neighbours garage.

So I'm guessing a 4 wheel trailer would be too hard for this?

Yes you will definitely struggle with a twin axle trailer into & out of that spot twin axle trailers are numb to manoeuvre by hand

even trying to lift the front is difficult as your trying to take the load off the front axle which should be taking 50% ish of the trailers load, most jockey wheels are rated around 75kg which is the usual nose weight recommended for trailers

trying to lift the weight on the jockey wheel makes them difficult to push even over the slightest pebble or step in a slab & its also likely to be damaged as they are usually extended quite high to lift the front axle off the ground

I always think twin axle trailers are a pita for boats anyway,twice the things to go wrong & twice the maintenance

unless the boat is way over the sensible capacity of a single axle then i'd chose a single every time

[Ovey]

Thanks for that, it's what I thought and I prefer the single axle for the reasons you've just confirmed.

I'm hoping to get the gravel tarmac'd to match the rest of the drive and make it easier - but the over-weight boat has now forced me to have to pay for a trailer instead of tarmac!