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Old 08 January 2017, 12:50   #1
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Help - not a rib related enquiry but hope somebody can help...

My father has a Drascombe Drifter sailing boat sitting on a trailer made by Lizard Trailers. Wheel bearings completely kaput. Trailer age uncertain.

Any idea what type of axle this company uses? There are no marking besides the manufacturer decal on the trailer, either on the trailer or the axle.

The dimensions are

Inner bearing 14mm wide, 65mm OD, 35mm ID
Outer bearing 10mm wide, 50mm OD, 25mm ID
Oil seal 65mm OD 40mm ID

Dad has emailed Lizard, hope they might have some idea what sort of trailer it would be. There is no useful info on their website.
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you need to quote the numbers off the side of the bearing race to a bearing supplier they should be able to match the ones you have
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Old 08 January 2017, 15:09   #3
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^^^^^If still visible & the seal should also be marked.

Have a look through this, bearing dimensions are listed:
Taper wheel bearings for towing trailers - Avonride, AL-KO, Brenderup, Bateson, Peak, Ifor Williams - Trailertek
Possibly Bearing kit for Indespension 250 drum - Trailertek ?
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Old 08 January 2017, 15:36   #4
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Get the numbers off the bearing races as suggested and either go to a bearing supplier or ebay they will likely be far cheaper than a trailer centre
If you can't find the numbers a good bearing stockist like Brammers will be able to supply from the dimensions
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Old 10 January 2017, 04:00   #5
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Thanks.

I don't have the brgs in front of me but apparently the races don't have a conventional bearing number on them which seems very odd - they may be Chinese junk. I had already found a couple of options on Trailertek which might fit but need to establish the unidentified axle brand.

Awaiting a response from Lizard so will see what comes of that.
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Great place for bearings seals and many other related parts, I've used them quite a lot
Simply Bearings Ltd ~ Oil Seals SKF FAG TIMKEN KOYO NTN NKE TRULOC Needle Rollers Taper Rollers Rod Ends Oil Filled Bushes Loose Balls O Rings Grease Plain Thrust
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If you carefully measure the I'd of the inner race & od of the outer ring & maybe the width then any decent bearing supplier will be able to help you irrespective of the manufacture of the trailer
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Sorry..... just noticed where you live. I was about to make a really stupid suggestion.
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Thanks folks. Have managed to contact somebody at Lizard after a couple of days trying and I think it is in hand.
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Old 15 January 2017, 04:57   #11
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More questions... help!

From the bearing dimensions and seal number we think it is a Peak axle and requires the kit below:

Bearing kit for Peak 200 and 203 drums - Trailertek

There are no discernible bearing numbers on the shells - they are trashed. But the seal number is the same and the dimensions match up as best as we can measure them (the shells are damaged so hard to get an exact measurement).

However ... the hub is unbraked and looks exactly like this:

Peak heavy duty unbraked hub 4 on 5.5" PCD - Trailertek

If that is the case, one of the bearings is listed as a 4854L. To add to the fun, some of the dimensions on the Trailertek site are wrong, as the same bearings are listed on different pages with slightly different dimensions....

The confusion/choice is between 3 possibilities for the inner (larger) bearing. Can anybody confirm what the difference is between these three options:

4854L bearing
48500L bearing
48548 bearing

The dimensions on the Trailertek site vary slightly but I already know some of the listings aren't accurate. Can you decode the dimensions from the bearing number? I have had a look on Google and as far as I can tell a 48548 is 34.925mm ID / 65.088mm OD according to Timken. They do not list either of the other numbers at all.

To contradict Trailertek, some companies listing the Peak AHU455 unbraked hub say that it uses 44649 & 48548 bearings, e.g. Peak Hub 5.5"PCD

Aaaargh! Any informed suggestions would be a great help. The boat is now sold, so all we need to do is get some ruddy wheels on it
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I assume no help from Lizard?
You could try emailing TT with photos of what you've got incl the drum itself & its dimensions, I've dealt with them a few times for stuff for my own trailer & always found them very helpful.
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why not post the old bearings to a bearing supplyer let them sort for you supported by some photos showing measurements of the drum/stub.
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Surely there must be someone on the island who can accurately measure the shaft diameter or the bore diameter of the bearings and either the inner diameter of the hub or the outer diameter of the bearing rings
Then all you need is order the bearings from a bearing supplier and you don't need to id the axle or worry about different options from trailer manufacturers
Once measured there is no worries about getting something that doesn't fit
Or order a cheap vernier like this
Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/381364822738 and measure yourself
You'll probably save the cost of the vernier on what you save buying the bearings from a bearing stockist rather than a trailer manufacturer
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^^^^^ I suspect the postal service to Stanley is fairly long winded and expensive, hence the requirement for the info asked for.

+1 for a decent vernier, if you could borrow one from someone on the Island ?.
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I have a vernier, but the bearings are "Not exactly factory spec" ... i.e. the shells are neither the size they were nor perfectly round, so you get different measurements depending on where you measure them.

We have decided to order the set for the Peak 200/203 drums as the measured sizes are the closest match to Timken manufacturer data, and the seal number is the same. Hopefully they will fit!
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